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The 338/408 CheyTac ELR pistol project

yorke-1

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I've been working on this for about 18 months now and it's finally done. The goal was to have a 2000+ yard specialty pistol that could match or exceed the performance of a 338 Edge rifle. I've always been partial to the specialty pistols for long range shooting so this was a logical move for me. I currently do most of my shooting out to 1300 yards with a Savage Striker in 284 Win and have had excellent results over the years. As the ranges get stretched further each year I've come to realize that my SP just can't keep up. I had to break down and start running a rifle out to the 2300 yard mark. That's where this project came in.

When working with the pistols, in order to get the performance I want I need to step up one class in cartridge selection. To get 300 Win Mag performance from a 19" barrel I went with a 300 RUM, to get 338 Win Mag performance I went with a 338/375 Ruger case, to get 7-08 ballistics I went with a 284 Win, and the 6mm BR matches a hot loaded 6 PPC. So in order to get 338 Edge ballistics I had to go big, really big! Enter the 338/408 Cheytac Improved!

It took a few weeks to come up with a parts list for the perfect ELR pistol project and it was kind of "spared no expense" proposition. Here's what I ended up with:

-BAT CT action (octagon profile)
-20" Lilja barrel (1.450" tapered to 1.350" at the muzzle)
-Jewell Trigger
-Joel Russo pistol stock mad of Bubinga
-Terminator T5 muzzle brake








After collecting all of the parts I started to interview smiths to build it for me. I've had 8 or 9 smiths do work for me in the past and most were capable of producing very accurate guns. This time I wanted detailed finish work and an actual "gun builder" instead of a parts assembler. 3 of the smiths I talked to didn't want anything to do with the project because the said it wouldn't be safe. A few others just had no interest in the whole concept. Alex Wheeler of Wheeler Accuracy not only saw the potential of the project but he was actually excited to see it through. Alex Wheeler is an accomplished LR benchrest shooter and an excellent rifle builder as you can see in the pictures. He handled all of the metal work as well as the stock inletting and finishing. The fact that he used barrel stubs as the escutcheons was a great little touch! The finish is beautiful, the fit is perfect, the bedding is flawless and the timing of the action to the trigger is perfect. On top of that his turnaround was nothing short of spectacular; it was measured in weeks not months or years!

All I need now is to get out and shoot it! I sent the smith 5 loaded rounds to function test the gun and he said that it's almost unimpressive. The loads I gave him were 300gr Berger OTMs over 140gr of H50BMG. When shot at dusk there was no more flash than any other cartridge and he said you can almost shoot the gun free recoil. While the gun does weigh about 16# without the scope, a lot of credit needs to be given to the Terminator brake that's on there. I have a T4 on my 338/408 Rifle and there's no denying the effectiveness of the brake.

I'll keep posting updates with velocity results when I get a chance to start test firing. I'm just finishing up doing some work on my truck this weekend (had a brake line rupture while pulling the boat!) so I'll be back up and running to get out next week to start shooting.

Andrew
 
Clint Eastwood would be envious.

Until I saw it weighed 16lbs, I didn't have the proper concept of the size.

Will you hunt with this? Or mostly target shooting...
 
Clint Eastwood would be envious.

Until I saw it weighed 16lbs, I didn't have the proper concept of the size.

Will you hunt with this? Or mostly target shooting...

It's mostly going to be for target shooting just because of how it's set up. With the weight and size of the gun it really needs to be shot off of a solid front rest. I do have a few spots though where I can setup a good shooting position and watch over a clearcut that would offer 6-1200 yard shot opportunities.

Plus it's too pretty to drag around in the brush and rain here in WA!
 
Yorke, this is most impressive indeed.
A question on the BAT action if you don't mind: What is the
bolt diameter on their C-T action ?
Thank you !
 
That's a beautiful mean pistol, Alex is a good friend of mine and lives down the street so I got to admire it in person, I was going to go with him to function test it but got tied up but sounds like it's an absolute ***** cat to shoot would really like to see how it shoots at ELR.
 
Yorke, this is most impressive indeed.
A question on the BAT action if you don't mind: What is the
bolt diameter on their C-T action ?
Thank you !
The bolt is .720" diameter. It's just slightly smaller than the bolt on my Lawton Cheytac action which is .725".

But...but...why?
I think the better question is "why not?" :D In order to get the performance I wanted, I needed to get a bit excessive.

That's a beautiful mean pistol, Alex is a good friend of mine and lives down the street so I got to admire it in person, I was going to go with him to function test it but got tied up but sounds like it's an absolute ***** cat to shoot would really like to see how it shoots at ELR.

I have to say, I've had a couple custom rifles from big name smiths and Alex's work is second to none. Now I just need to see what sort performance I can get out of this thing!
 
That turned out awesome!
I cant' wait to see the range report. I think we might need to organized a PNW SP long range shoot one of these days:D

-Mike
 
That turned out awesome!
I cant' wait to see the range report. I think we might need to organized a PNW SP long range shoot one of these days:D

-Mike

I'm actually looking into setting something like that up for next summer.
 
Got out and shot this for the first time yesterday. I had't really thought about it but my Magneto Speed Chronograph won't work because the brake is so long! I'll have to come up with a different chrony to get velocities. I didn't get my new front rest in time for the weekend so I improvised and made one that's specific to the width of the forend on the pistol. It worked surprisingly well.
[ame]https://youtu.be/pQ6PEAWF5Zk[/ame]

The muzzle blast has to be experienced to be appreciated! This is the same load that I shoot in my rifle in the same chambering so no low power starting charges this time! The stock tracks as well as any BR rifle I've owned and should be perfect with a more solid front rest. It shoots surprisingly well considering that the 300gr Bergers are jumping .214" with this load since I have the freebore setup a bit shorter on the rifle than I do on the pistol. I'm not going to complain about how it shoots though. These are the first 4 shots fired out of the gun after bore sighting it.



The high shot is #1. Shots 2, 3 and 4 went into one elongated hole at 100 yards. I think this gun will shoot just fine!
 
How was the recoil against the wrist? Any barrel rise or pistol rotation during recoil?
 
How was the recoil against the wrist? Any barrel rise or pistol rotation during recoil?
It tracks straight back with no torque or muzzle jump. I actually have a very soft grip on the gun when I shoot it in the video. My wrists are a little beat up from work and years of shooting large bore revolvers and this gun puts less strain on my wrist than a 357 from a heavy revolver.
 
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