rost495 Posted: Reed Speed Kills. Yep. Gotta have accuracy and precision placement though. And watch those lighter bullets. You might get a bullet failure by trying to run up the speed too fast. Besides the lighter bullets just don't hold out as well as the heavier ones once you reach mid range(600 yards) and beyond. reed mosser Posted: am shooting lighter bullets because they kick less. kill better, shoot flatter. The peneration of the 150 interbond is more than good enough for me. I was worried about the bullet holding up at those speeds, so I did a small test. I shot the 150 interbonds into 1.5 feet of dry newspaper I found two of them and they retained 75 percent of their weight. The third went through. When I shot my deer with the 30 laupa we compared the exit holes to 338-378 mags with 300 grain sierra's. The big 33's with 300's just make fist sized holes. One shot with 33-378 ran 120 yards with a good shot. The match bullets just don't open up enough. i also shot 7 wsm with 180 bergers and have terrible results hunting with the bergers. With deer they just bore holes through them, with most requiring a second shot. I believe that from 0-800 yards speed kills. Reed This is interesting, I tend to shoot the same bullet at LR and SR both, and like to see them perform well at either. I wonder if trimming the meplat back to a certain diameter, not really large, but enough to help initiate expansion better and not lower the BC terribly would actually make a huge difference? My thinking is, if it helps up close, it should help out far? Steel plates - Close range just bores holes through them, pick your match bullet, it don't matter which one, that I've seen anyway, they all burn holes right through, faster the better. Game - Terminal velocity is all that matters, range is really irrelivant. Ian and Dave alone have killed, well, litterally tons of game with the mighty 308, and probably have a great idea of what we can expact with the hyper velocity cartridges many of us here use for waaaaaay out there. I've shot a bunch of game with the 308 win too, moose mainly, and I have found the big and heavy expanding bullets with the 416 WBY and the heavy for caliber bullets from the 300 Ultra Mag to really upset the critters mindset almost instantly vs. quickly. There is a difference in reaction often, but I've never seem a moose react any different after being shot by a 308 than a 300 WM, I can't tell the difference. Hit 'em with faster speeds of the WBY or Ultra and there's kind of a turning point in their reaction, their attention has just been gotten a little more than the usual. I'm talking 100-200yds is all. The 416 is just a monster none of them have much time at all to think about, lights out! The one thing that changes when killing an animal way out there is the loud factor in his ear at the same moment he feels the bullet tearing through him... The connection is instantly made he's in trouble, not something else far away going on he has a chance to hide from. The animal's feeling of INSTANT danger verses POSSIBLE danger because of hearing the shot is obviously a factor, and honestly they die with a different awareness?? that more casual. I don't think it takes near the terminal velocity at LR that really does help at short range to kill with the same effect. JMO Anyone else agree, disagree, close but not quite?