Swift suroccos in gel

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  1. stx

    stx Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Haven’t shot anything at long range with the ELDM....just one at around 300 yds and the rest all under 150 +/- yds....no problem with expansion with shoulder shots on any of these animals. I might stretch the distance this next season to see if results are the same......my VLD loads are devastating at all distances in every rifle I load them for! The only reason I even used the ELDMs is because I had a bunch left over from the Long Range Course I took at the NRA Whittington Center......just wanted to see how they performed on game and was pleased with the results.
     
  2. codyadams

    codyadams Well-Known Member

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    My results weren't bad at point blank ranges either, though I did notice the animals (mostly pronghorn) did not drop in their tracks even with perfect high heart/double lung shots like they did with the Bergers. They generally ran 75-150 yards before slowing down and tipping over, even with what seemed like great performance, 2"-2.5" exits, lungs pouring out. Same shot with bergers on many, many other previously killed critters anchored them like it was a CNS hit, even if it wasn't. At distances over 700ish yards (with a muzzle velocity of 3040 and at 6600+ elevation) they were inconsistent as far as expansion and strait penetration on two animals. On a large bodied mule deer at a shade over 500 yards shot in the ribs (no heavy bone) it expanded nicely, but didn't exit. The bullets looked good and mushroomed, but I believe they simply didn't deliver the amount of shock and wound channel size of the Bergers. And as stated, the pronghorn buck at 980, they acted like a FMJ. Just my experience with 13 critters from 150 to 980 yards with critters being pronghorn to bull elk with the 147 eld-m, and 30+ kills with Bergers under essentially identicle usage. Also, I never have had a Berger 140 H-VLD fail to have an exit wound, even a 6 point bull at 700, though most animals killed were pronghorn with a few mule deer and elk sprinkled in.
     
  3. stx

    stx Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Good to know.....you’ve definitely taken more animals and have more experience with them than I do.....they won’t be replacing my VLD handloads....these are factory loads I bought directly from Hornady(300 rounds) because I didn’t have time to load for the last minute decision to attend the NRA course. I wanted to try them because they were so accurate in the CM I used for the course(.25” groups)...... velocity was excellent, as well(2830).
     
  4. codyadams

    codyadams Well-Known Member

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    Ya, for your uses inside 400 yds or so they should work fine, I would just be careful about velocities getting around 2100 fps or so. At least that is where I started seeing concerning issues. The closer range hits all killed the animals pretty quick, just not quite as good as Bergers.
     
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  5. Tony Formicola

    Tony Formicola Active Member

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    Yeah...those bullets sure tend to act funny when they hit a humorous!
     
  6. RockyMtnMT

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    Someone had to! Haha
     
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  7. stx

    stx Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    When these are gone, I'll more than likely be done with ELDMs! I have many good VLD loads and have changed several of my rifles over to Hammers.....tried them on a few animals this past season and really like the ease of finding a load, as well as, the performance on game!
     
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  8. North Idaho Hunter

    North Idaho Hunter Well-Known Member

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    Haha good catch-edited to make it more clear.

    Good data from Cody Adams! Just goes to show gel data does not always translate to actual terminal data!

    I quickly found inside 400 yards there is no real need for me to run a match bullet hunting-I found the accubond and Barnes to perform much more predictably. Especially on taking angle shots and thick bone.

    I would like to try the 140 Bergers I just got turned off due to others in camp using them with extensive meat loss up close with the 140’s in creedmoor velocities - I have a SAUM so I can only predict they will be even worse with that cartridge. I’ve ran the 30 cal’s 190 & 215 on game with decent results - but no personal data with the 6.5 flavor.
     
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