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<blockquote data-quote="NesikaChad" data-source="post: 215854" data-attributes="member: 7449"><p><strong>Hmmm.</strong></p><p></p><p>This may be where I p_ss someone off. Certainly not meaning to and I'd probably be smart just to keep my cake hole closed and my fingers away from the keyboard.</p><p></p><p>Never said I was smart. . .</p><p></p><p>I've been building bolt guns for a little while now. I started in competitive shooting in the early 90's with an M-14 and then an M-16 while as a Marine.</p><p></p><p>Something I think we can all agree on is that semi auto rifles such as these are grossly lethargic when compared to a bolt gun's lock time.</p><p></p><p>A good friend of mine also shoots competitively in 1000 yard matches. He won the state championships in TN a few years back with a bolt gun. Now the rifle was either a 03SF or a Mauser, can't quite recall since we talked about both guns during this particular conversation. My point is, neither of those two have ever been world renowned for strikers hitting primers at lightening speed. </p><p></p><p>I think we see where I'm going with this, but I'll add just a bit more gas on this fire.</p><p></p><p>Hatcher's notebook, written back when Christ was a Corporal. It states something regarding the impact energy required to achieve the proper ignition of a primer. 45lbs ft if I'm not mistaken was the figure quoted. These were tests done for the Dept of the Army.</p><p></p><p>High energy springs and ultra light titanium strikers are all very impressive and cool, I'll be the first to admit that. My question is has anyone ever sat down and performed a blind "taste test" to see if there is really anything to it?</p><p></p><p>I spoke with the guys at BAT once years ago on this subject. We kinda came to the same conclusion, although their methods dealt with a lot more testing and facts than mine did.</p><p></p><p>A super light striker and high energy spring set up does indeed reduce the time on a watch from where the sear lets go of the cocking piece and then striker whacks the primer. One thing to consider however is that the pin can also bounce off the primer after it is struck due to the assembly not having much mass. I can't help but feel that is not a good thing for a number of reasons that someone with an engineering degree can surely figure out with a slide rule or calculator. </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, I go back to the days of semi auto service rifles and State Championship winning antique bolt guns.</p><p></p><p>How are these types of firearms able to perform so well with their inherent design flaws when compared to a modern bolt action? Nesika Bay Precision is a fairly respectable name when it comes to modern bolt action receivers. As their former production manager, I can assure you there were no space age, ultra light alloys used in either the springs or the strikers. High silicon chrome spring steel for the springs and chromoly for the strikers. The one place I do agree with the masses is having the spring set up properly so that it doesn't look like an operating rod/spring assy on an AK-47; all bound up and double stacked. Nesika striker springs are set up to run very clean inside the bolt.</p><p></p><p>I think it is the SHOOTER personally who makes the difference, especially when you consider that follow through makes up 50% of a shot sequence. </p><p></p><p>My advice, spend the money on ammunition and that **** overpriced gasoline and go to the range more to practice. Equipment worshiping only gets a guy so far. I strongly advocate the use of good parts when building a gun and I like to think the rifles I build demonstrate this, but until shown otherwise, I can't help but think that this isn't much more than a very effective marketing (propaganda) campaign. Especially when Mauser's and 03SF's are holding their own (winning) back at the 1000 yard line against modern hot rod custom actions.</p><p></p><p>Discuss freely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NesikaChad, post: 215854, member: 7449"] [b]Hmmm.[/b] This may be where I p_ss someone off. Certainly not meaning to and I'd probably be smart just to keep my cake hole closed and my fingers away from the keyboard. Never said I was smart. . . I've been building bolt guns for a little while now. I started in competitive shooting in the early 90's with an M-14 and then an M-16 while as a Marine. Something I think we can all agree on is that semi auto rifles such as these are grossly lethargic when compared to a bolt gun's lock time. A good friend of mine also shoots competitively in 1000 yard matches. He won the state championships in TN a few years back with a bolt gun. Now the rifle was either a 03SF or a Mauser, can't quite recall since we talked about both guns during this particular conversation. My point is, neither of those two have ever been world renowned for strikers hitting primers at lightening speed. I think we see where I'm going with this, but I'll add just a bit more gas on this fire. Hatcher's notebook, written back when Christ was a Corporal. It states something regarding the impact energy required to achieve the proper ignition of a primer. 45lbs ft if I'm not mistaken was the figure quoted. These were tests done for the Dept of the Army. High energy springs and ultra light titanium strikers are all very impressive and cool, I'll be the first to admit that. My question is has anyone ever sat down and performed a blind "taste test" to see if there is really anything to it? I spoke with the guys at BAT once years ago on this subject. We kinda came to the same conclusion, although their methods dealt with a lot more testing and facts than mine did. A super light striker and high energy spring set up does indeed reduce the time on a watch from where the sear lets go of the cocking piece and then striker whacks the primer. One thing to consider however is that the pin can also bounce off the primer after it is struck due to the assembly not having much mass. I can't help but feel that is not a good thing for a number of reasons that someone with an engineering degree can surely figure out with a slide rule or calculator. So, I go back to the days of semi auto service rifles and State Championship winning antique bolt guns. How are these types of firearms able to perform so well with their inherent design flaws when compared to a modern bolt action? Nesika Bay Precision is a fairly respectable name when it comes to modern bolt action receivers. As their former production manager, I can assure you there were no space age, ultra light alloys used in either the springs or the strikers. High silicon chrome spring steel for the springs and chromoly for the strikers. The one place I do agree with the masses is having the spring set up properly so that it doesn't look like an operating rod/spring assy on an AK-47; all bound up and double stacked. Nesika striker springs are set up to run very clean inside the bolt. I think it is the SHOOTER personally who makes the difference, especially when you consider that follow through makes up 50% of a shot sequence. My advice, spend the money on ammunition and that **** overpriced gasoline and go to the range more to practice. Equipment worshiping only gets a guy so far. I strongly advocate the use of good parts when building a gun and I like to think the rifles I build demonstrate this, but until shown otherwise, I can't help but think that this isn't much more than a very effective marketing (propaganda) campaign. Especially when Mauser's and 03SF's are holding their own (winning) back at the 1000 yard line against modern hot rod custom actions. Discuss freely. [/QUOTE]
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