For those of you that have been following another thread, I have an update that I believe will not be deleted for rules violation. It has been stated, implied and thought that I must not be a very good shot. I went to a shooting clinic on Saturday. I shot my newly accurized Winchester 70 featherweight in 270 caliber. While trying 3 shot groups with incremental powder charges I shot 3/8" to 3/4" groups at 100 yards. The instructor had me move out to 450 yards. I have a Nikon 4.5-14 BDC scope on it. I'm shooting at a 5"x7" steel gong off of a benchrest that is not very solid and shooting bags. My first shot was about a foot and a half high, because I had to guess on how much to hold over. On my second shot, BOOM - WHAP. I HIT THE GONG!!! I shot another 10 rounds and hit the gong 7 times with another 2 only missing to the left by an inch or two according to 2 spotters. So 9 out of 10 would have killed an elk at 450 yards!!! With a featherweight factory Winchester, Nikon scope and no load development!!! After the instructor explained the results of a ladder test, I put my Magnetospeed chronograph on the rifle and went back to shooting at the gong 450 yards away. First shot was about 4 feet high. Second shot was about a foot and a half high. Third shot hit the gong. Again!!! Out of the next 7 shots, I either hit the gong or missed it by 2 inches or less 5 times, this again with 2 spotters. I had one shot that went high and was 130 fps faster than the average and 1 shot that went about a foot and a half low. So with a factory featherweight hunting rifle, inexpensive low-powered scope and no load development, I was able to hit a 5x7 gong at 450 yards !!! Yeah, I must not be a very good shot!!!