Shootin' between heartbeats.

jcpython357

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Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Do any of you guys or gals out there shoot between heartbeats and claim that is the only way you get your best groups? A buddy of mine gets one hole groups(5 shots)100yds with his 223 700VS shooting that way, but recently said he couldn't feel his heart anymore and his groups slipped to a Godawful 3/16th.He's beside himself. Claims that's his secret.He's Thinkin' of retiring, Give me your thoughts. images/icons/rolleyes.gif Jay
 

RBrowning

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

JG
I know what he is talking about, especially when shooting prone. I can see the cross hairs move in an oval patern about 1 1/2" wide x 3/4" high at 100 yards. Of course if I was in better shape and my heart wasn't working so hard it probably wouldn't be so noticable. I try to time it so that I squeeze the shot off in the brief pause between beats. If I was using a rear bag it probably would help a bunch too, but when walking the fields looking for chucks I carry too much as it is.
 

David P. Herne

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Jay,
Several years ago while engaged in casual phone conversation with the venerable Sgt. Dean Michaelis - one of the world's preeminent authorities on ultra long range shooting and sniping - I mentioned that I had on numerous occasions over the years heard that [this] was the practice of truly great shooters and snipers. He responded by bursting into laughter and vigorously uttering the words: "That's ********!!!"

Regards,
Dave
 

jcpython357

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Browning, My bud is shooting on a Sinclair tripod and bag with rear rabbit ear bag, scopelevel, the works, similer to what I use, bipod and rabbit ear, and when I'm shootin' on 24x, reticle don't move one iota off my 1/4" dot I'm pointing at, and accuracy doesn't suck one bit, you got to try one of the Protector bags Sinclairs' has to offer, I got #19 bag, 3/8" flat bottom, love it. DAVE, You know when my buddy told me that I was kinda thinking the same thing. I can't even feel my heartbeat when I'm shootin'. images/icons/rolleyes.gif Jay P.S. My bro lives in Houston, (Somersworth Ave.)
 
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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Most shooters will be better served by focusing on sight alignment, shoulder pressure, and follow through when the moment of action is upon them. images/icons/wink.gif
 

moosehunter

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Exactly what is "follow through"? Someone wrote, "see the fire". I shoot a .300 win mag and I try to have the recoil hit with total surprise. I can usually tell when its a good one because I see the crosshairs jump out of the bull on recoil. Is this follow through?
 
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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Yes, this is something you should always see. With big magnums, and slow burning powder, you will also see a yellowish orange flame fill your scope after the crosshairs begin to move. There is more fire to see with an efficient brake, very little to see with a suppressor. Shooting just before dusk will make the flash easier to notice.
 

speedbump

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Shooting between heartbeats (and breaths) is a must for shooting from a sling, due to the brachial pulse being transmitted through the sling to the rifle. With a solid position, quality sling, & sound technique (and no caffeine) it is small but noticable. If you watch Olympic shooters heading to the ready line, you'll normally see them walking slower than a 100-year-old arthritic patient.

Shooting from a rest or bipod, the pulse effect should be minimal or non-existant. Probably not there at all. This is why F-class & benchrest shooters can be out of shape or handicapped and still be just as competitive as a youngster from the USMC or USAMTU!
 

FatBoy...

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

With a solid position, quality sling, & sound technique (and no caffeine) it is small but noticable.

DAMNIT!!! I miss out on all four fundimentals images/icons/grin.gif

Still,, I put out my best score today at 1000 yard any/any... 198-8,, in a light snow. Who said a 10X scope on top of a 19lbs rifle isn't good for match shooting??? That little Nikon Tactical has been the cats ***.....

Seriously,, I have so much other crap going through my head, my heartbeat is't even a consideration. It may just be happening without my knowledge. I'm more focused on squeezing the trigger, and breaking clean with a good sight picture. Oh,, and doing it before the **** wind changed direction!!

When you comin' back down to visit SpeedBump?? You got that barrel all burned out yet? images/icons/grin.gif

FatBoy...
 

speedbump

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

Fatboy, a 198-8 is super! Getting used to the sling supported prone I see. Shooting the 6.5-284? I'm hoping to get down there next month to visit you characters again.
 

FatBoy...

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Re: Shootin\' between heartbeats.

If you can get down this month, make it to Oak Ridge the 26/27th April. It's the State Long Range Championship.

COF is Any/Iron at 600, then Any/Any at 600 on Sat. Sun is Any/Iron, then Any/Any at 1000. Team match each day after main matches are over.

There's going to be a LR clinic Wen/Thu as well. Wednesday Emil Praslik is putting on an iron sight clinic with 80 shots and Thursday Karl "The Animal" (I can't spell his last name) is putting on a any/any clinic with an 80 shot. Karl is an retired Sercret Service man who holds the record for high score any/any at 200-19X and took the Wimbledon home that year.

Both the match and the clinics are opn to F class shooters as well.

Yup,, Shootin' the 6.5x284's yesterday. The new one took high score this time. I got the H4350 workin' with 210M's in the Border barrel.

Now,,,, if I can find a new load for the Green rifle. The H4831SC just isn't cuttin' the mustard any more.

BTW,, did I send you a 1K match schedule for this year yet?

FatBoy...
 

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