Hello there hope all is well. I always been deeply profoundly involved in long range muzzeloading. A few years ago I purchased a new savage ml 10. Non smokeless.... After getting between .55-.80 groups using remington sts 209 primers with 200gr shockwave 150gr blackhorn 209 measured by a regular powder tube NOT WEIGHT . I ended up loosing my biggest buck because of those junk shockwave. They never opened up,after hitting a doe at 67yds it went right thru like a small pencil.. I say around 7 deer lost in a month.. So I headed back to cabelas and Fred suggested an attractive bullet called PRBULLETS MADE IN Canada . I tried .235 qt precision rifle bullets at 100yds after shooting 5 rounds I was on fire, thinking I missed and with disapointment I walked down range only to be shock at .46 5 shot group. My buddies jaw hit the floor. Luckily a friend had a pro chrony and we made a small bet at the velocity would be 2200 or 2300 max.. I know some of you won't believe me but 3 shots first 2609 fps 2nd. 2620 3rd 2608.. These bullets couldn't wait till 2011 season. I decided to have them shoot dead on at 200yds . I must say never never sight in a muzzleloader with lead sled you will get eradicate groups, stick with sand bags.. At 200yds my groups were around deer.65-.75. Still pretty damn good. Well making story short I shot a doe [email protected] 367 yds opening day in the bean fleid... I remember putting my third scope line on her shoulder, dropping her on spot... I love muzzeloadin and hunt with my savage in regular rifle season instead of rifle. I plan this year getting 500 yds shot on video and posting it..