I can tell you first hand to take a look at the Muellers. I have 2 of them. I have the 4.5-14x40APV and the 8.5-25x44 tactical. The APV can be found for under $150, and I picked up the tactical for $120.00. The tactical, I was in the right place at the right time and got a steal on it. Retail it is still below $200.00.