Bet you'd lap them too!the only things I would bed is women
Bet you'd lap them too!the only things I would bed is women
Yes, so there may be more than one problem here, but there also may not.
I was adjusting one of my LR rifles today for cant (i.e., making sure my reticle was pointing at the center of my bore). The ONLY way to get it exact is the Tall Target test. However, Doc, if your impacts were to the left of your plumb-line when you cranked up then turning your scope counter-clockwise made the shift WORSE. That is because when you crank up it is the same as using the lower part of your reticle.
I'm guessing your wrong-way "corrections" were the reason your shift was not gradual.
Today I got sighted in at 100 yds, plumbed my bullseyes and shot the bottom one. They I cranked up 25 moa and shot the same POA again, making sure my reticle stayed aligned with the plumbed bullseyes. I hit a couple of inches to the left, so I rotated my scope c-clockwise, and made it worse, just as you did. Opps. Then I rotated clockwise, got this and called it good. I'm still 1/4" off but I'll fix it some other time, as 1/4" will only be 2-1/2" off at 1,000 yds.
Being 2" off-line at 100 yds, which is not nearly as bad as many I have seen, means you are 20" off at 1,000 yds. Not at all acceptable to me.
The clown that runs SH tried to tell me the other day that it isn't important that your reticle be aligned perfectly with your bore. Right, if you don't mind being a foot or more off to the left or right when you crank up and shoot at long distance! They call themselves "precision" shooters but what they really are is "shoot, see where you hit and correct" shooters. Then the idiot told me having a level on your rifle is unnecessary.
The convenience store must miss him badly.
So Frank Galli is an idiot and a clown and none of the Snipers Hide members are as qualified at precision ELR shooting as you are? Are you serious?
You may disagree with things he says, but there's no need for you to come on here and start bashing on the guy with name calling and stereotyping every person on that forum. He's one of the "Godfathers" in the shooting community and deserves some respect. What an ignorant comment.
Yup as to Frank as anyone else who says it isn't important to LR shooting to have your reticle in alignment with the bore, because there is no reason to not make your reticle align with the bore. Ditto for eschewing levels on rifles. Misalignment forces you to keep windage dope for every distance, in addition to elevation dope. Shooting with your rifle out of level will make you miss or merely wound that 600-yd elk. This is, after all, a long range hunting forum.
He wouldn't listen to frank, so he won't listen to us. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Frank has the numbers and offsets and everything. I saw this but that's why I didn't react.Ok so how does it matter if the reticle is aligned with gravity vs the bore/receiver? The bullet is coming straight out of the muzzle either way.
You don't NEED a bubble level, just as you don't need a break or a 10 oz trigger. These are crutches for lack in fundamentals or for the last shooter, or the shooter who sole education on LR is on the internet. You can tell if your rifle is canted in general and if you're consistent in building you shooting position and obtaining natural point of aim, you will have consistency. It wasn't until fairly recently that snipers started getting bubbles and honestly, it's still not an across the board thing.
I also dont know what you mean about keeping windage dope...a smart shooter should be doing that anyways...
Most actually aren't. Sniping is only about 15% shooting the rest is recon and scouting.You may not realize it but snipers are world class shooters. Most of us have to really work at what we accomplish. That means using what ever aids are available.
He wouldn't listen to frank, so he won't listen to us. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Frank has the numbers and offsets and everything. I saw this but that's why I didn't react.
I was going to add that then in the post I figured some would object lolBet you'd lap them too!
Why lap them if your going to bed them anyway? Those lapping bars are not going to be the exact same size as your scope tube as every tube of every manufacturer may be slightly different. Im just curious here because I got my advice from Ryan Pierce and he only beds the rings and doesn't lap.Bet you'd lap them too!
Why lap them if your going to bed them anyway? Those lapping bars are not going to be the exact same size as your scope tube as every tube of every manufacturer may be slightly different. Im just curious here because I got my advice from Ryan Pierce and he only beds the rings and doesn't lap.