JIMM, Dan Lilja is a first generation barrel maker. He is the son of a rancher. I've shot benchrest with him. The Hart family, the folks that make Douglas barrels, Ive shot with them all, all are vary nice people. All are competive shooters and know what it takes to make a good barrel. Gary Snider makes his barrels out of a shop in his back yard of his Scottsdale home. Last I knew he only had one guy working for him. What does that mean, heck if I know. Most folks buy barrels from custom maker by region. They buy from someone close by. Most custom gunsmith like a particular make of barrel because they personely like the maker, haven't had any complain'ts from there customers. If I lived in AR. I would be loyal to Shilean barrels cause they are close to you. Who buys custom made barrels? Mostly it competive shooters. Looking at the equipment lists of major matches is one way many people chose a barrel maker. I've seen the post on another site about PacNor and Lilja barrels being soft. Supposeably because they shared a melt (50 tons). What you need to know is when you buy a melt from a steel mill like Crucible, the buyer has a lot of control over everything that goes with that melt. If it ain't right to the spec. They ain't going to eat it, the mill is. You need to know that they have good analogical evidence before the steel is rolled. Now, one could ask themselfs if the smaller guy can afford to buy a melt or has to be willing to buy out of stock and not get this kind of control. By the way folks you can do a little research on your own by calling the Crucible Service centers or going online with them. They love to talk about steel! You will find in talking to these barrel makers that most of them are pretty good metalurgist in thier own right. In passing, all my life I've wondered why more gun nuts didn't take metalurgy classes in highschool or college. Or do some outside reading on the subject. Of course if they did nobody would pay to frezze a barrel, I guess. Well as always just another old guys two cents. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif