Schmitt & Bender feedback

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  1. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    Not to kick a hornets nest...but looking through the AMG, Razor, my Cronus, SBII, and the kahles I really cant tell a difference at all.

    I don’t think there is any argument in quality or toughness of a SB. I think it has more to do with bang for the buck. But with those links you posted earlier I would get an SB over a Razor or AMG. If it were off europtics or from a retailer I would default to a vortex Razor/AMG and try and save the $1k I’ve seen personally in the retail price difference.
     
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  2. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    Also @lancetkenyon about scope companies trying to catch SB...yes 100%. That’s why we are blessed and have that huge array of scopes in the $1k-$2k range. There are even sub $1k optics now that are reliable and work when you need them to work. No doubt the high end guys paved the way for that technology.
     
  3. dfanonymous

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    There’s a lot of misconceptions how the military selects things. What civilians think is better isn’t always feasible based on what the testing standards are. Those testing standards vary based on who’s making those standards and why.

    There is usually a difference in how standards and made for gear for conventional forces and special warfare. I’d like to think the in the SOF community things make more sense then the idiotic bureaucracy in most general branch services but i can assure you it still happens. However when it comes to smaller leadership and having some cool support peeps, it’s easy enough to get your personal stuff into country. Long as you’re not gear queering, you can hack it and battle rattle meets the mission.

    But no one messed up with S&B lol
     
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  4. FIGJAM

    FIGJAM Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    You mentioned a few times that you have owned them all bro - we get it. Doesn’t mean you opinion holds any more value than anybody else who has looked through high end glass. Everybody has different eyes.
     
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  5. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    It’s gotten to the point where you can call REF and they’ll mail you what you want!! I did it for remote controlled robots in 2012-2013!! It should be easier for a scope.
     
  6. dfanonymous

    dfanonymous Well-Known Member

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    Like the talon 2 or whatever it’s called? The EOD guys robot? I’ve crossed trained with and theres always EOD attachments, so I played with one, by moving around a inert 81mm but I don’t remember anything about them. If they gave you one of those before rolling out then definitely a cool deal.
     
  7. Greyfox

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    While the bulk of my hunting is done with a SFP/MOA scope, my favorite FFP/MIL scope used for hunting is my S&B PMII 5x25x56 with the P4/Fine reticle. I had a situation a few years back while mule deer hunting where the quick ranging scale(shown in lower portion of the reticle) proved to be fast and effective for a 450 yard shot in foggy conditions which rendered my rangefinder useless.
    Note: The “fine” version has about half the reticle thickness shown in the diagram below.
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  8. FIGJAM

    FIGJAM Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    So it was too foggy to use a rangefinder, but clear enough to see and use your reticle to range a deer at 450 yards?
     
  9. 300whisper

    300whisper Well-Known Member

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    Same concept as a talon but it was the super tiny ones that you literally throw into culverts. That have a hook to drag stuff and move stuff out of the way and a camera that’s it.
     
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  10. Rich Coyle

    Rich Coyle Well-Known Member

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    At one point maybe, but not anymore. I compared all lot of scopes and to me they are about like a Leupold VX-6.
     
  11. gpo1956

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    Factoring in "a few years ago" and not knowing the age of the range finder at the time,
    I see nothing to be skeptical about. I've used a couple of current rf's that wouldn't range 450 yards in fog or rain.
     
  12. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    Yes! It was probably more “mist” then actual fog, caused by the early morning thermals in the area where the buck was positioned. It was fairly clear for about the first 200-300 yards to him. Could not get a consistent range with either my Leica Geovids or my G7-RF. Lasers don’t seem to handle high levels of air moisture very well. I could see him well enough to range him with the reticle. We were plagued a mornings that week with the weather conditions producing early morning mist/fog in certain areas that was usually cleared out an hour or two later.
     
  13. FIGJAM

    FIGJAM Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    That makes sense - I hunt at elevations where I am constantly dealing with fog - If it is too foggy to range the animal, I usually can't see very well past a couple hundred yards.
     
  14. FIGJAM

    FIGJAM Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    Rain is a little different, you can see a long ways away through rain.
     
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