sale me on the 6.5 creedmore

msmith57

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You can't beat the 30-30 for taking down more animals than anything ever produced. I'm not sure how many meals my ole Winchester has provided over the years. it's always the Go to Gun in the thick brush of the mountains river bottoms and the Truck gun.
 

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So seems only thing in na gun magizine now days is 6.5 creedmore.Some hoe its the holy grail of guns. I am not knocking it. Just that looking at ballistic numbers I do not see it as any better rnd than a lot of older tried and true rounds. Give me your sells pitch.
Bass Pro had a sale on their Axis a few months ago- so I bought one. I use mainly my 6.5x55 Swede. The 6.5 C.M. is a nice little back up-I put a Vortex Gen 2 5-20 on it.
 

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How many types of water do we need? Or sports drinks or flavors of potato chips? Its the golden age of choice. Somewhere along the line we made it to where manufacturers can afford to make and sell all manner of things. well all things but 8mmRM 🙁. Choice is awesome. And I choose to have them as well not instead of.
I have two. Compass and an AR-10. Both are fun but the ar10 can get pricey to shoot vs a 308 but with ammo shortage the spread not so much. But for hunting these days I reach for my 300wm single shot. But I let others n family use my 6.5 and in 8 yrs. goes to my grandson! It will be awesome. well unless there is a new 6.24333XZ🙁. Do your part to keep a gun worker employed!
 

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Most all of the following has been covered by others but since there are so many haters and jokesters about the CM, I thought I would throw out a few 'pitches' for the CM. While the CM isn't the best of anything (except maybe the best marketing) it gets above average marks in almost all metrics. Some examples are:
1. Cartridge efficiency. My imperfect equation for cartridge efficiency is to divide the ft lbs of energy by the qty of powder it takes to generate that amount of energy. This will give you a ft lbs of energy per grain of powder number. Do the math for muzzle and for an arbitrary mid and long range distance for comparative purposes against other cartridges. You can do the same sort of math for bullet drop and wind drift with the 'typical 130-140 class' bullets as well. You will find that the efficiency numbers are better than many tried and true cartridges. If you take away the 'overkill' (the energy on target at close range that is well in excess of what is needed to effectively kill an animal) that other cartridges create, the creedmoor looks even more attractive.
2. Optimized twist rate- I can't tell you how many cool rifles/cartridges I have owned or come across that I have said to myself......'man I wish this rifle had a faster twist (examples 1:10 twist 243 win, 1:12 twist 308, 1:9.5 twist 7mm RM)' I have yet to come across a factory offering in 6.5 CM that isn't an 8-twist. So, ammo selection/availability relative to available twist rate is a non-issue.
3. Medium to long range target capability. My shooting friends and I routinely shoot long range targets. While we varied rates of success on targets 1200-1500 yards based on skill level and wind-reading ability, it isnt the cartridge that limits our ranges. Example of the opposite example is the 308. For most of us, our realistic ranges for 24", 1:10 twist 308s with 168-175 grain pills get's pretty squirrely around 1100 yards. That may or may not be a limiting factor for some, but comparably, the CM does get you out there more.
4. Recoil- When it comes to recoil analysis, there are lots of folks that comment that they are not recoil sensitive, and that recoil doesn't bother them. Fact is, there are many good shooters that can shoot 7lb magnums very accurately. No argument there. However, if you enjoy target shooting, and don't always have a buddy on a spotting scope, spotting hits/misses is a factor. There are ways to mitigate recoil, and make it almost a non-factor, but from a comparative perspective, the recoil is on the lower end of the spectrum for cartridges with similar capabilities.
5. Ammo availability. During 'normal' periods of time the ammo is abundant, reasonably priced and easy to find, with lots of selection. When we are in 'crazy' times like now, you can still find it without an extraordinary amount of effort, and with decent selection.
6. Market acceptance- Like it or not, all of the manufacturers have accepted the 6.5 CM, which tells me that the availability of ammo, aftermarket, components, new rifles, etc isn't going anywhere.
7. Inherent accuracy. I almost hate to use this term, but if such a thing exists, the 6.5 CM cartridge has it. I have either bought, built, rebuilt, dozens of 6.5 CM rifles. I have yet to have or know of a CM that doesn't shoot, no matter the price point. I am sure there are stories to the contrary, I just don't have any. My most recent experience was a T/C Compass II. After deals, discounts and rebates $205.00. I did a 25 shot load development in a hurry to use the rifle on a last minute hunt. End result was a 3/8 MOA load verified out to 300 yds. Crazy! Maybe crazy lucky, maybe not just luck. It happens often enough among my friends that I would definitely take a chance on a bargain rifle like this in this cartridge before I would do the same in 308 or 243. Another factor for me is the ability to seat bullets very close to the lands and still fit in a normal AICS type magazine. I have tried seating high- BC bullets near the lands with 308 Win and 7mm-08, and both end up with crazy amounts of jump in order to fit in the magazine.
8. Successful variants- While it isn't a real measurable, I do believe that there is something to say about cartridges that ended up with lots of very successful variants. Like the 308 (243, 7mm-08, 338 Fed, 260 Rem, 358 Win), and the 6mm BR (can't even list them all) the 6.5 CM has given birth to the 6mmCM, the 22 CM, the 25 CM. I think it lends credit to the parent case.
9. Resale- This may mean nothing to many, especially those of us that don't typically sell many firearms. But, if you did have a 6.5 CM, it would be one of the (currently) most desirable and easiest to sell on the secondary market. This goes for complete rifles and individual components.

By now you might say 'this guy is a fan boy for the 6.5 CM'. Fact is I am a fan, but not so much that I only own this cartridge. And for what it is worth, I am not new to rifle ownership (not even close). I just like what the cartridge has done for the sport, and it deserves some recognition for that. It is more than just marketing hype.

Happy Thanksgiving!

You went and did it so I have to clarify. Get out with the “cartridge efficiency” and “inherent accuracy” stuff. The two most loaded terms in the industry in my opinion. Efficiency is a nonsense term. Suffice to say cartridges with higher operating pressures and straighter shoulders are typically more efficient at converting energy from potential to kinetic. My 416 rem mag produces more KE per gr of powder than 6.5 CM. The bullet just happens to be shaped like a brick. Again another facet of “efficiency” is BC. So it takes a combination of the two to make a cartridge “efficient”. As for inherent accuracy I’m pretty certain BR guys are more particular than crappie fisherman and all believe their own voodoo. I find with most cartridges good accuracy is easy to find when using known accurate bullets.

The 6.5 CM is a fine cartridge. If you are hunting it’s probably ideal for whitetail and muley under normal and extended ranges. If you are shooting PRS it does recoil less than 308 and most commercial match offerings do have an advantage in the wind and in drop.

It’s not the end all be all hunting cartridge but it’s pretty flexible. It’s not a 300 Norma but people shoot it out to a mile apparently. It’s another tool in the tool box. Personally I don’t need one.
 

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Didn’t you know. It is the ultimate round and one would not need anything else so it’s best to sell all your other rifles and only have a creedmoor.
Creedmoor offers:
1. bullets do not slow down
2. Bullets do not drop
3. Wind does not affect bullets
4. Make sure you have a mountain behind your game as a proper backstop
 

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So seems only thing in na gun magizine now days is 6.5 creedmore.Some hoe its the holy grail of guns. I am not knocking it. Just that looking at ballistic numbers I do not see it as any better rnd than a lot of older tried and true rounds. Give me your sells pitch.
I’ve owned one now for a year. Shoot 143 eld-x at 2970 FPS. Killed coyotes, mule deer, and bull elk so far. I love it. I practice shot placement with accuracy. I also keep shots under 500 yards. It’s a big gun- 26 inch barrel with a suppressor, but has little kick and amazing accuracy. I love it.
 

milo-2

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I am not talking hunting capabilities here, but in rifles in a heavier configuration, prs, steel plinking, it was or is the quintessential entry level cartridge. Factory ammo offerings galore, easy to handload.
Even the name lent itself to a marketers dream. Add in PRS style shooting, Hornady couldn't lose on this one.
You can either find use for it, or just tolerate it, or as we see here, just loathe it. One thing is for certain, it is not going away.
 

orifdoc

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The “magic”of the Creedmore is that lots of folks finally bough a gun they could actually shoot without flinching. Turns out, when you shoot critters in the vitals they die. It’s a decent pairing of good quality bullets with reasonable ballistics, so that helps. Nothing dozens of other chambering can’t do equally well or better though. YMMV. :)
 

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I have been running. 6.5SLR for about 8 years now. Potayto/potahto.
I had a 6.5 SLR chambered 5 yrs ago. IMO, it was the most worthless case I have ever dabbled in. I learned 2 things on that trip, 6.5 slr was not for me, and neither were hornady bullets.
6 SLR was one of the most fun cases I have ever messed with.
 

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