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Reloading Data for Berger Bullets

baydog

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Hello everyone!
I have a 300rum and have been shooting Nosler bullets. I have the lastest Nosler reloading manual. But I have bought some 210gr Berger bullets and my Nosler manual doesn't have any data for 210gr bullets. I went to Bergers website but they don't have anything on their website that I can find for 300rum. Does anyone know where I can get some online data for 210gr bullets for a 300rum?
Thanks
Scotty
 
BD, send an e-mail to Berger with rifle info, powder/powders and bullet. They will respond within a couple days with the loads. Many here have great sucess with the Berger 215 and 230's for their 300RUM.
 
Hello everyone!
I have a 300rum and have been shooting Nosler bullets. I have the lastest Nosler reloading manual. But I have bought some 210gr Berger bullets and my Nosler manual doesn't have any data for 210gr bullets. I went to Bergers website but they don't have anything on their website that I can find for 300rum. Does anyone know where I can get some online data for 210gr bullets for a 300rum?
Thanks
Scotty

I would go buy a Berger manual for $29.00..... http://buybergerbullets.3dcartstores.com/Reloading-Manual_p_172.html

Also, you can email Berger, and they will usually be more than happy to email you copies of their load data for your desired bullet & caliber.
 
I'm probably going to get flamed but someone helped me once so ill return the favor
300 rum
88 gr retumbo
OR 88.5 grains H1000
fed 215 m
seated to mag length for a start
minimal point of impact change from 210 to 215

start low work up start at mag length go longer in prescribed berger ladder
you will be home, nodes with powder tweaked in less than 34 shots
 
I'm probably going to get flamed but someone helped me once so ill return the favor
300 rum
88 gr retumbo
OR 88.5 grains H1000
fed 215 m
seated to mag length for a start
minimal point of impact change from 210 to 215

start low work up start at mag length go longer in prescribed berger ladder
you will be home, nodes with powder tweaked in less than 34 shots

92 h1000 seated .005 off
The lands
 
Send an email to [email protected] and we can get some information to you if you still need help. The only data on the website currently are the .338 loads as we decided to print the manual without that data (including it would have delayed the release date even more).
 
for the record

berger bullets is a company full of wisdom laden intelligent and kind people, they never failed to help me anytime i contacted them, from the guy who answers the phone to the boss.
 
I emailed Berger about the load data I was asking about for the 210 VDL bullets for My 300rum and wow I didn't think it was businesses still out there that was this accommodating and appreciate they're customers enough to get this kind of response so fast..This is my first box of Berger bullets I've bought and I can assure you I will be buying more and recommend them to all my friends.
Thanks Eric from Berger Bullets
Scotty

300 Remington Ultra Magnum 210 Grain
Optimal performance may be achieved in your rifl e at a different COAL. See page 148 for details. 210 GR MATCH BT LONG RANGE TARGET G1 BC = 0.626 G7 BC = 0.320 Part # 30419 - 1 in 11" twist or faster
For bullet dimensional details, see page 239. WARNING - APPROACH MAXIMUM LOADS WITH CAUTION AS ALL RIFLES AND RELOADING TECHNIQUES WILL BE DIFFERENT. Additional safety information can be found on page 8.
Powder
Start Load
Approx. Start Vel.
Max Load
Approx. Max Vel.
Approx. Fill Ratio H4831 74.0 2600 82.0 2844 92% RE-22 74.5 2636 82.8 2885 89% IMR 7828 SSC 74.5 2641 83.0 2908 88% NORMA MRP 75.0 2647 83.3 2894 87% RE-25 77.0 2637 85.7 2883 94% AA MAGPRO 78.0 2631 86.9 2912 89% NORMA MRP 2 80.0 2663 88.2 2961 96% H1000 80.0 2627 88.8 2899 98% RAMSHOT MAGNUM 80.5 2622 89.6 2909 91% VIHT N170 82.5 2559 91.3 2848 100% RETUMBO 82.5 2636 92.0 2913 100% H870 87.5 2639 97.0 2945 102% H50BMG 88.0 2561 98.0 2902 105%
We recommend using G7 BC to achieve the most accurate trajectory prediction.
210 GR MATCH VLD TARGET G1 BC = 0.631 G7 BC = 0.323 Part # 30415 - 1 in 11" twist or faster
210 GR MATCH GRADE VLD HUNTING G1 BC = 0.631 G7 BC = 0.323 Part # 30515 - 1 in 11" twist or faster
Barrel Length = 26"

Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from VLD bullets in Your Rifle
Background
VLD bullets are designed with a secant ogive. This ogive shape allows bullets to be more efficient in flight (retain more velocity = less drop and wind deflection). While this result is desirable for many rifle shooters the secant ogive on the VLD bullets produces another result in many rifles. It can be difficult to get the VLD to group well (poor accuracy).
For years we encouraged shooters to use a base of cartridge to end of bearing surface OAL (I will use the term COAL to represent this dimension) which allows the VLD to touch the rifling or to be jammed in the rifling. This provided excellent results for many shooters but there were others who did not achieve top performance with the VLD jammed in their rifling. These shooters were left with the belief that the VLD bullets just won't shoot in their rifle.
Other groups of shooters were discouraged by our recommendation to touch the rifling. Some of these shooters knew that at some point during a target competition they will be asked to remove a live round. With the bullet jammed in the rifling there was a good chance the bullet will stick in the barrel which could result in an action full of powder. This is hard on a shooter during a match.
Yet another group of shooters who were discouraged by our recommendation to touch the rifling are those who feed through magazines or have long throats. Magazine length rounds loaded with VLDs could not touch the lands in most rifles (this is the specific reason that for years we said VLD bullets do not work well in a magazine). When a rifle could be single fed but was chambered with a long throat a loaded round that was as long as possible still would not touch the rifling.
Until recently, shooters who suffered from these realities were believed to be unable to achieve success with VLD bullets. Admittedly, we would receive the occasional report that a rifle shot very well when jumping the VLD bullets but we discounted these reports as anomalies. It was not until the VLD became very popular as a game hunting bullet that we were then able to learn the truth about getting the VLD bullets to shoot well in a large majority of rifles.
After we proved that the Berger VLD bullets are consistently and exceptionally capable of putting game down quickly we started promoting the VLD to hunters. We were nervous at first as we believe the VLD needed to be in the rifling to shoot well and we also knew that most hunters use a magazine and SAMMI chambers. Our ears were wide open as the feedback was received. It was surprising to hear that most shooters described precision results by saying "this is the best my rifle has ever shot."
We scratched our heads about this for awhile until we started getting feedback from hunters who were competition shooters as well. Many were the same guys who were telling us for years that the VLDs shoot great when jumped. Since a much larger number of shooters were using the VLD bullets with a jump we started comparing all the feedback and have discovered the common characteristics in successful reports which gave us the information needed to get VLD working in your rifle. We were able to relay these characteristics to several shooters who were struggling with VLD bullets. Each shooter reported success after applying our recommendation.

Getting the Best Precision and Accuracy from VLD bullets in Your Rifle
Solution
The following has been verified by numerous shooters in many rifles using bullets of different calibers and weights. It is consistent for all VLD bullets. What has been discovered is that VLD bullets shoot best when loaded to a COAL that puts the bullet in a "sweet spot". This sweet spot is a band .030 to .040 wide and is located anywhere between jamming the bullets into the lands and .150 jump off the lands.
Note: When discussing jam and jump I am referring to the distance from the area of the bearing surface that engages the rifling and the rifling itself. There are many products that allow you to measure these critical dimensions. Some are better than others. I won't be going into the methods of measuring jam and jump. If you are not familiar with this aspect of reloading it is critically important that you understand this concept before you attempt this test.
Many reloaders feel (and I tend to agree) that meaningful COAL adjustments are .002 to .005. Every once in a while I might adjust the COAL by .010 but this seems like I am moving the bullet the length of a football field. The only way a shooter will be able to benefit from this situation is to let go of this opinion that more than .010 change is too much (me included).
Trying to find the COAL that puts you in the sweet spot by moving .002 to .010 will take so long the barrel may be worn out by the time you sort it out if you don't give up first. Since the sweet spot is .030 to .040 wide we recommend that you conduct the following test to find your rifles VLD sweet spot.
Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a target competition shooter who does not worry about jamming a bullet: 1. .010 into (touching) the lands (jam) 6 rounds 2. .040 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 3. .080 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 4. .120 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
Load 24 rounds at the following COAL if you are a hunter (pulling a bullet out of the case with your rifling while in the field can be a hunt ending event which must be avoided) or a competition shooter who worries about pulling a bullet during a match: 1. .010 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 2. .050 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 3. .090 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds 4. .130 off the lands (jump) 6 rounds
Shoot 2 (separate) 3 shot groups in fair conditions to see how they group. The remarkable reality of this test is that one of these 4 COALs will outperform the other three by a considerable margin. Once you know which one of these 4 COAL shoots best then you can tweak the COAL +/- .002 or .005. Taking the time to set this test up will pay off when you find that your rifle is capable of shooting the VLD bullets very well (even at 100 yards).
Regards, Eric Stecker Master Bulletsmith
 
Ordered it today.

Good deal. I think you will find, the more you get into reloading, you will use that manual for alot more than just checking powder loads. I know I use mine all the time for random stuff, or for a source to help with a brainstorming idea, to help other folks, the list goes on.

Berger is great people. Everyone I've ever talked to there was friendly, polite, and more than willing to help.
 
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