Recall - 2013 TAC Elite/Ordnance man. prior to Nov 1st

[Andy Backus]

PSE just announced a recall for TAC Elite Ordnance crossbows manufactured before Nov. 1st 2013. Here is a link to the recall wording on PSE's website. Crossbow Recall

I have spoken at length with PSE's production and engineering managers and the recall is because of a dangerous situation where a small pin can fall out of one of the gears in the TAC cranking mechanism. If the pin gets caught under the trigger, the hammer will not cock and therefore can cause the bow to fire right as it reaches full draw. PSE has a simple fix for the problem but obviously needs all owners of Elite/Ordnance crossbows purchased prior to Nov 1st to send their bow in to have the repair made.

While they have your bow, they will also address some other (non dangerous) issues such as the arrow vane clearance problem some have mentioned in our forum (another easy fix).

I know this is extremely frustrating during the hunting season.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to call or email me.

[email protected]
920-376-2010

 

[DavideSpeed]

Hello Andy, I own a TAC Elite with serial 2120166 and send it to the PSE so I'll just take me to my seller.
Please could you put some pictures that best represents this pin which would be responsible for the problem?
Another thing, that problem would be the "Also they will address some other (not dangerous) issues: such as the arrow vane clearance problem"?
Do you mean to say the problem of breaking the carbon rods because of the nock plastic that is damaged?
Thank you very much!

 

[Andy Backus]

"Arrow vane clearance problem" refers to the arrow vanes (feathers) touching the cables when fired.

Here is a picture of the pin that can fall out.

 

[LawShark]

Thats what happened to my first Elite.

 

[DavideSpeed]

Thank you Andy for the information you have given me and for the email!
Forgive my Italian but I'm using the google translator.

Last night I checked my Elite for good, then it seems that this pin be pulled out because the hex head screw does not tighten well the steel pin, the rest of the hexagonal them for that.
Concerning the other problem that I've written friction between the cables and power tabs there are still bad at reading .. I do not understand, in Tac15i this problem was not there and it presents the Elite should be the crossbow in which they solved everything?
Something I'm not wrong ... indeed makes me think!
I'm wondering if it's a good thing to raise the cams changing the working position on the central axis that connects to the limbs, it was better if the cylinders were sliding lower cable or thicker.

 

[Chyhunting]

Thank you Andy for the information you have given me and for the email!
Forgive my Italian but I'm using the google translator.

Last night I checked my Elite for good, then it seems that this pin be pulled out because the hex head screw does not tighten well the steel pin, the rest of the hexagonal them for that.
Concerning the other problem that I've written friction between the cables and power tabs there are still bad at reading .. I do not understand, in Tac15i this problem was not there and it presents the Elite should be the crossbow in which they solved everything?
Something I'm not wrong ... indeed makes me think!
I'm wondering if it's a good thing to raise the cams changing the working position on the central axis that connects to the limbs, it was better if the cylinders were sliding lower cable or thicker.

As far as I can tell what he means, he is correct I believe also that larger diameter cable guards are needed but in conjunction with the bushings.... Also this is downright ridiculous! A company is supposed to get better and progress, I like my Elite but I mean really??

 

[s pherson]

thanks for the heads up just got my replacement in today 11-13-13 it will be on its way back, they shipped on thur and recalled on fri.

 

[bski]

"Arrow vane clearance problem" refers to the arrow vanes (feathers) touching the cables when fired.

Here is a picture of the pin that can fall out.

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Mine is in the recall numbers....but its got a cut piece of rubber hose around the spot u have pictured so the screw cant fall out....that i dud not put there.....my...serving on the string is broke where it meets the new springy speed stops.....and when i try and cock it i have to keep letting it back down like 10 times till the back foot on the cocking sled will ride up over the hammer stop pin...to let xbow come to full draw....it looks like the best of 4 tacs ive had....but im thinking its far from it....sad...

 

[Andy Backus]

bski - Send yours in to PSE for the recall. They'll get it straightened out for you. Make a note about the problem cocking.

 

[DeerHntr]

Has anyone received their Tac Elite back yet? Just curious what was changed, and how it shoots?

 

[Chyhunting]

Has anyone received their Tac Elite back yet? Just curious what was changed, and how it shoots?

I'm going to hunt with mine one more weekend because I can imagine turnaround on this is going to be RIDICULOUS, just like the 8 months I waited for it, just like the price of it and just like these issues we are having with it...... Sorry.......

 

[Mike K/NJ]

Sent mine out two weeks ago. I don't care how long it takes, I just want it right.

 

[Chyhunting]

Sent mine out two weeks ago. I don't care how long it takes, I just want it right.

I'm sending mine out Monday... I don't have high hopes though. From what I can tell, pertaining to the fetching clearance issue, these "spacers" alone are not going to fix the problem. Even if they took the spacer over the cams totally out, it's only going to give us an extra 1/16" of clearance at best. That's not enough. Maybe that coupled with larger diameter cable guard rods might give us enough clearance. It seems to me they are grabbing at straws now trying to remedy a major design flaw. Our arrows are still going to be aimed way down in the front at full draw, maybe even worse. I'm also interested to see if the string pushes over the tops of the string stops, because after the "cam spacer fix" the string will no longer be impacting the middle of the rubbers. It will be higher. The only way I see to fix this thing is redesign it, and start over, but with the cost involved that will never happen. So I fear we will be the owners of a subpar piece of equipment and offered "fixes" to pacify us. Don't get me wrong, I have been a PSE supporter/ customer since my first bow 30 years ago and this one issue won't change that but I really believe something went really wrong in the design process of this bow.Maybe it's time for Daddy Pete to step back in and reiterate how things are supposed to be done. Lol

 

[Mike K/NJ]

I'm sending mine out Monday... I don't have high hopes though. From what I can tell, pertaining to the fetching clearance issue, these "spacers" alone are not going to fix the problem. Even if they took the spacer over the cams totally out, it's only going to give us an extra 1/16" of clearance at best. That's not enough. Maybe that coupled with larger diameter cable guard rods might give us enough clearance. It seems to me they are grabbing at straws now trying to remedy a major design flaw. Our arrows are still going to be aimed way down in the front at full draw, maybe even worse. I'm also interested to see if the string pushes over the tops of the string stops, because after the "cam spacer fix" the string will no longer be impacting the middle of the rubbers. It will be higher. The only way I see to fix this thing is redesign it, and start over, but with the cost involved that will never happen. So I fear we will be the owners of a subpar piece of equipment and offered "fixes" to pacify us. Don't get me wrong, I have been a PSE supporter/ customer since my first bow 30 years ago and this one issue won't change that but I really believe something went really wrong in the design process of this bow.Maybe it's time for Daddy Pete to step back in and reiterate how things are supposed to be done. Lol

I agree about the fletching, spacers alone are not the answer. It's very apparent that they didn't test the Tac before release. If they did, this issue would've been detected after only a couple of shots.