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question about SWFA FFP and 2FP

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I am looking at getting a SWFA variable power scope. I have three SWFA fixed power scopes and like them but now want a variable power.
The model I am looking at is the SS model which is the lower end model from SWFA
As I understand it the higher end HD model uses higher quality glass so is substantially more expensive
I am not looking at the HD model but at two different versions of the same SS variable power model the difference being only that one is first focal plane and the other is second focal plane. There is a $250.00 difference in price between these two the lower cost model being the second focal plane model.
Since my other SWFA scopes are all fixed power I don't really know what the difference will be accept that as I understand it the mil dot reticle will only be correct at one power setting. Also as I understand the turret click value will be correct through out the variable power range.
I would like to hear opinions on this and weather anyone that prefers the 1FP over 2FP feels that the cost difference of $250.00 is worth haveing the 1FP over the 2FP
All opinions are welcome and appreciated.
 
You should take a read over the article Len recently published by yours truly on the subject of scope selection. I think it'll help. For now I won't go on and on but instead give you some brief answers to your specific questions and let you drive the rest of the conversation.

If you're doing something like PRS shooting where a hit is a hit or the target size will be comparatively large for the distance at hand or you plan on using the reticle for actual ranging in the field then you'll want a first focal plane. SFP have to be dialed to a specific magnification to have the reticle subtends work properly. I'm not a fan in general except for my dedicated target scopes which are all SFP or fixed magnification. On FFP scopes the crosshair will appear to grow as you add more magnification. This can lead to some thick-ish crosshairs, no good for things like shooting squirrels at long range. If you're going to make hold-off corrections using the reticle, definitely go FFP.


Second focal plane are IMO less than optimal if you're going to use it for ranging for a suite of reasons. They're not at a lot of disadvantage outside that use case IMO. In general SFP will be more useful if you're target shooting where X's count or where the targets are comparatively small for the distance at hand. As far as hunting, sorta depends on what, where and when but the same principles apply.

I don't prefer one over the other and those that do likely have limited styles of shooting to deal with and base their opinion on that. Those with many shooting passions will eventually find that there's a scope for every purpose and a purpose for every scope.

Cliff's Notes: If you shoot in a sport where 1FP is popular, it's popular for a reason. If you don't do that, then there's likely to be little reason to bust the extra coin purse open to have the feature.
 
I live in south west Montane in Dell. The nearest for any type of shooting competition is Butte at 150 miles so the only shooting competition I am involved in is between myself and coyotes. I am a coyote hunter and my equipment is geared to that.
I do not use the reticle for ranging at all but on occasion of necessity will have to use it for hold over. My preference if time permits is to click in the correction after the range has been determined by laser.
The only time I will use the lower power settings is when calling from a hide where encounters will likely be close. Other than that I would likely leave the power set at the correct setting for the reticle to be true. For the highest power setting I would most likely use it when attempting a long shot that has been lasered for range and the correction already dialed in.
Am I making a case for the 1FP?
 
It looks to me like you are making a case for the second focal plane. For what you described I don't think you need a FFP scope.

I have the 3-15 SS in FFP; it was my first FFP scope. It has grown on me. I rarely use the reticle for holdover as I am much more accurate when dialing. The thing about long range hunting is I need the time to set up the shot or I won't just hold over and let one fly. I am much more accurate when dialing than when holding off.

I don't need the FFP for hunting but I got a good deal on this model and went with it. I think I would be just as happy with the SFP version.
 
You are correct and what I wanted to say is was I making a case for 2FP. When I saw the mistake I wanted to change it but could not find an edit icon to do so.
Anyway thanks ! I believe your right and paying the extra $ for 1FP for my application will be money wasted.
Now my question is how do I edit a post?
 
It boils down to personal preference and applications. All of my scopes except for the last two purchases are SFPs.

I have the Burris Veracity 4-20 FFP varmint reticle and SWFA 5-20 HD FFP and loved it. Enjoying my transition to FFP.
 
Would like to hear your opinion on the Burris Veracity. I was looking at one but then read several negative reports on them.
For my purpose the most important feature of the scope is accurate dependable tracking.
Have tried some other scopes that failed in that regard.
 
Do a custom search on the top right corner for "Burris Veracity 4-20x50 FFP, one of them is mine.

I have no tracking issue with mine and the optics is better than what expected esp. for what I paid for it ($629.10).

Cheers!
 
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Do a custom search on the top right corner for "Burris Veracity 4-20x50 FFP, one of them is mine.

I have no tracking issue with mine and the optics is better than what expected esp. for what I paid for it ($629.10).

Cheers!

Here's my http://www.longrangehunting.com/for...w-ballistic-e1-ffp-reticle-130833/index7.html

Got this from another forum ...
In hopes of helping someone who may be in the market for a mid-priced scope, I thought I might offer an opinion on a purchase I recently made. Specifically, the scope is a Burris Veracity 4-20x50 Ballistic E1 FFP Varmint Reticle w/ side-focus ordered through Amazon from HPP Enterprises for $750.00. I won't include photos because there are much better pics on the net than I could provide.


After ordering, the scope was delivered in a timely four days, and came packaged in an impressive and protective manner. Once I completed an initial inspection I immediately mounted it atop Rocky 7, my much beloved 112 7mag with varmint contour barrel and Timney trigger that shoots 168 gr Berger VLD's to ½ moa consistently. The scope was mounted in Millett 30mm (6 screw) rings on top of an EGW 20 moa base.

Once laser bore-sighting was completed and 4'x4' cardboard with 1" grid zero target was affixed to the 100 yard target frame, I proceeded to the bench to get the scope zeroed. At the bench I removed the turret caps and adjusted the ocular focus and side focus until the target and crosshairs were clear and parallax free. I set the magnification to 16x and after firing, counting the grids and adjusting the turrets I achieved my 200 yard zero after only four rounds.

Notes about the knobs and adjustments: The magnification ring, side-focus, turret caps and target turrets are all identically and effectively knurled to give the user adequate purchase and leverage. The adjustments are firm yet turn effortlessly. All adjustments are incredibly smooth, with no grit, grind or perceptible change in tension throughout their respective rotations.

The target turrets are 3/4" tall with the aforementioned knurls for ease of adjustment. The elevation turret has an actual zero-stop system which I set by loosening two set screws on the top edge of the knob, lifting slightly on the knob, turning to zero, pushing gently down on the knob and retightening the set screws. After setting the zero-stop I turned the elevation up an unspecified amount and then back to the stop. I shot a five round .535" inch group while performing this operation. The scope returned to zero each time. The elevation turret has two rows of numbers. The bottom row starts at zero and rotates to 15 where the numbers start over with the top row which number 15 through 30. It is very easy to keep up with your adjustment. I found 58 moa of elevation above my zero-stop.

After being satisfied that the scope was sufficiently mounted I returned to the target frame and replaced the target with a new one. Returning to the bench I performed an admittedly abbreviated 6 shot box test – from zero, up 4, right 6, down 8, left 6 and up 4 where the last hole almost touched the first one. To say I was pleased would be an understatement. Out of curiosity I peeked down the left side of the tube to see how closely the side-focus, which adjusts from 50 yards to infinity, might correspond to my actual target distance. I was pleased to see that the tick mark was squarely in the center of the number 100.

Although I can feel and hear the clicks when adjusting the turrets, I would like a bit more tactile feel in the clicks. Also, the flip-up scope caps that come with the scope are functional but definitely not the highest of quality. Not a deal breaker, but still.

The ballistic E1 Varmint reticle has bullet drop compensation hashes below the horizontal and MOA hashes above the horizontal for target ranging. The turret/reticle is essentially an MOA/MOA setup. Being a mil-dot man I had never ranged with an MOA reticle so I decided I would see how close I could get. Sitting at our dining room table, and making certain ol' Rocky 7 was clear, I turned the scope to 18x and aimed at my niece's house across a large pasture. Setting the horizontal at the bottom of a window of known size I counted the hashes and performed the necessary calculations. I came up with a bit over 600. I then ranged the house with my Nikon ProStaff 7 rangefinder which read 597 yards. I figured that was acceptable.


[FONT=&amp]As far as optical clarity, the Veracity is exceptionally clear edge to edge even at maximum magnification. I have looked at different targets through the scope at dusk and I am very excited about its light gathering capabilities. I have been behind more expensive scopes than the Veracity, and many I would love to own if I could justify the expense, but after using this scope it would be very hard, indeed, to justify that extra money. Given Burris' reputation for rugged dependability and the Veracity's fit, finish, features, clarity and performance I believe it will be hard for another manufacturer to match this optic for less than $1000. [/FONT]
 
I bought the SWFA 3-15-42 in 2FP. $450.00 with Butler Creek covers and extended sun shade.
I have read several negative reports about the Burris Veracity and at least some small negatives about nearly all others including NF but have never read a negative report on the SWFA scopes even in the lower end SS model.
As I said for my use the single most important feature of the scope is tracking. I feel that maybe the SWFA is the most dependable in this regard for scope models in this price range. This is the price range I am limited to so my choice to me seemed the only logical way to go.
Thanks for all the help!!!!
 
I bought the SWFA 3-15-42 in 2FP. $450.00 with Butler Creek covers and extended sun shade.
I have read several negative reports about the Burris Veracity and at least some small negatives about nearly all others including NF but have never read a negative report on the SWFA scopes even in the lower end SS model.
As I said for my use the single most important feature of the scope is tracking. I feel that maybe the SWFA is the most dependable in this regard for scope models in this price range. This is the price range I am limited to so my choice to me seemed the only logical way to go.
Thanks for all the help!!!!

SWFA scopes are good buys. If you like what you have, you'll like the HD even more. As previously noted I have the 5-20x50 HD FFP.

As far as the Veracity goes, I'm not really sure what those negative reports are but I provided you with a couple of good ones on tracking per your request. IIRC, you're into serious varminting and the Veracity's varmint reticle is perfectly suited for it.

Anyways, I'm sure your SWFA will serve you well. Cheers!

Ed
 
Well rats!!! I got the scope, SWFA 3-15 SFP and there is no information included with the scope.
What I need to know is at what power setting are the subtentions in the reticle correct?
Anyone here know what that would be?
 
Well rats!!! I got the scope, SWFA 3-15 SFP and there is no information included with the scope.
What I need to know is at what power setting are the subtentions in the reticle correct?
Anyone here know what that would be?

my suspicion would be 15. Easy to check with a sight in target with 1" grid

remember one moa equals 1.047 inches at a 100 yards.
 
You can call SWFA; they have good customer service. My guess is the top power is where the reticle is true.
 
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