Planned obsolescence and the .300 Win mag

[pig ranch deadeye]

Has anybody tried the new Hornady .300 win mag high performance ammo? According to the Hornady charts you can buy a factory load and fire it in a 24 inch barrel, and move a high BC 180 grain bullet at 3100 fps. Zeroed in at 200 yards you are only 5.5 inches low at three hundred. This fact makes one wonder why anybody would ever need the imaginary extra range of something like the 28 Nosler. Why not just stick with what is tried and true and not so expensive? Another of asking this is, in real life conditions does the purported superiority of the fancy "state-of-the-art" rounds like the Nosler calibers enough of an improvement to matter? Or is it merely planned obsolescence?

 

[Deleted member 103481]

Hornady factory superformance 300 win mag at my elevation vs hornady factory is 28 nosler at 600 yards has 7 more inches of wind deflection and 10 more inches of drop with a full value 10 mph cross wind. That's pretty big, and that's factory to factory. Imo that factory 28 nosler load is pretty underpowered especially in BC (wind) compared to what most people here are running.

most people on this forum are not making cartridge decisions on drop to 300 yards, more like 600-1000 yards. For 300 yards I would agree it doesn't matter. And fwiw that's a pretty anemic win mag load for long range as well, there are much better bullets for that.

 

[pig ranch deadeye]

I don't have the skill to hit reliably at 600 yards, although I might try a shot like that holding a foot over the back of the deer. My hat is off to those who can do it.

 

[QuietTexan]

The extra range isn't imaginary for everyone. Why do you need the state-of-the-art (for 1963) 300 Win Mag when the old standby 30-06 works fine to 300 yards? Everything was new once. If we'd stopped when perfection was achieved then there'd be nothing new after the 30-06, especially not that silly 270 the kids rave about.

 

[Dmagna]

Most people shooting the 28 nosler over 600-1000 yards are also using way better bullets than the factory Hornady. I would go and say most are using the 195 Berger, which is the standard bullet in the 28.

 

[pig ranch deadeye]

The extra range isn't imaginary for everyone. Why do you need the state-of-the-art (for 1963) 300 Win Mag when the old standby 30-06 works fine to 300 yards? Everything was new once. If we'd stopped when perfection was achieved then there'd be nothing new after the 30-06, especially not that silly 270 the kids rave about.

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Good point. I agree on the .270: it is fantastic. I think the .300 Win Mag outshines the 30.06 with the 200 grain Nosler partition, as a big game load.

 

[Muddyboots]

"The extra range isn't imaginary for everyone. Why do you need the state-of-the-art (for 1963) 300 Win Mag when the old standby 30-06 works fine to 300 yards? Everything was new once. If we'd stopped when perfection was achieved then there'd be nothing new after the 30-06, especially not that silly 270 the kids rave about."

You do know you are posting up in LONG Range Hunting forum?

 

[pig ranch deadeye]

You do know you are posting up in LONG Range Hunting forum?

Yes, I know that. Do you think I should leave the forum? To me 400 yards is long range. I hope my perspective on shooting has not troubled you...

 

[Bob Wright]

If someone wanted to spend the time, one could bracket all cartridges in performance into say a dozen groups, using factory ammo. When one throws into "long range", the bracket count grows tremendously with all the performance components handloaders can reliably assemble. We've never had it so good. Certainly the brackets will be argued over but, there it is.

 

[Muddyboots]

Of course not! Just the distances most here shoot makes 300 no big deal. It wasn't a slap at you at all just an observation. Maybe not as humorous as I hoped. The 06 is actually IMO a pretty decent LR rifle with right set up. Put it in a 26" barrel and it behaves a lot differently than the standard 22" barrel it is normally in. I hope you do not take it any other way than what I just explained.

 

[pig ranch deadeye]

I started loading the .300 Win Mag in 1964 using 4831 powder and the 200 grain Speer spitzer bullet. That combination has very little ballistic drop. At 200 yards you don't even notice any at all. I also loaded the 165 grain Nosler partition.

 

[Muddyboots]

If you can get you rhands on RL26, it is by far the magic pixie dust for the 300WM and you will not believe the velocities you get with it for the 180+ weight bullets. Probably why impossible to find!

 

[Dmagna]

If you can get you rhands on RL26, it is by far the magic pixie dust for the 300WM and you will not believe the velocities you get with it for the 180+ weight bullets. Probably why impossible to find!

I get better accuracy with H1000. Pushing a 215 @3000 FPS

 

[pig ranch deadeye]

If you can get you rhands on RL26, it is by far the magic pixie dust for the 300WM and you will not believe the velocities you get with it for the 180+ weight bullets. Probably why impossible to find!

"Magic Pixie Dust." I like that!