for me they are a great bullet.but most hunters around here do not like them.why you will ask.OK I'll tell you.THEY CAN NOT SHOOT.
as long as you can put it where it counts it will put the animal down.out of my 308 the 165gn works good.and for a good friend the same bullet running 3100fps worked like a charm out of his 300wm.saw him put many a deer down with it.even out to 200 yards in the head.and as one has already said they are a good shooting bullet for papper.
man I just read my post again to see what you ment.and I see that I was talking about you guys and didn't mean that at all.I was talking about the boys around my neck of the woods.heck most of them say if the bullet can hit a pie plate its good to go.
sorry if I hit a nearve or something.really didn't check over that post like I should have.again the boys around MY NECK OF THE WOODS CANNOT SHOOT.so useing a NBT is something they hate.meaning when they pull the trigger and the bullet hits bone they hate that.thats why I said that.and its true when the NBT hits bone first it blows up instead of going deeper to really take care of the job it was meant to do.
so Steve does that sound better.and again I really didn't mean any of you guys could not shoot.just didn't look over the post before hitting submit.