nosler accuatebond lr bullets

[ann brezinski]

saw best of the west the other night.they were using nosler accurate bullets in 30 and 7 mm cal.how would you compare them to berger bullet as on use for deer and antelope at long range hunting.the nosler are said to expand at a low end of 1300 fps.
gary b

 

[Broz]

I guess this is to start a good pizzing match right?

Bullets on TV shows could just be related to sponsors. Just maybe?

There are some initial reports coming out on the ABLR's. Look them up using the search box upper right.

There are plenty Berger reports, many threads with tons of field data. look them up too.

The claimed BC's of the ABLR's are pretty inflated. We all knew that before they hit the shelves.

Every Berger I have used in 7mm or 30 cal the advertised BC's are spot on.

The 1300 FPS expansion is possible with the thin jackets and tips. But actual proof is not out here yet for sure on game at 1300 impact velocity. I am optimistic but would rather think 1500 is a better number.

From what we are seeing them do up closer I say they would probably be better as a long range offering than under 500. That is if you are happy with the real world BC's and accuracy at distance. But that is just my personal opinion with limited actual data.

Jeff

 

[crazyhorse]

I posted about Berger in my Shot Show review thread. The folks at Berger took a ton of time to answer all of my questions and were the ONLY one to say what they were doing to try and catch up to the shortage! Broz has a ton of factual data along with pictures on this forum about the performance of Berger. While I don't have the ability to test them on anything but deer here in TN, I can tell you that if used as recommended they flat work.
I will admit that the new ABLR had me interested based on the early information they put out. the fact that I couldn't get my hands on any had me even more interested about looking them up at the show. Saying I was disappointed is an understatement. It seems the generic response to any question was to hand you a brochure that looked like the ones sent to your local gun store, consisting of mostly sales pitches and very little if any technical data. I was hoping for some good info on the 26 Nosler and literally all they had out was a wooden block with three other cartridges glued to it for a comparison. My question about the barrel life of the new cartridge was answered with "we don't know yet". My theory is one of two things A. Being the size company they are and not having that kind of info before releasing a cartridge tells me all I need to know about where they stand on quality or B. Barrel life is horrible! (Probably the real answer). The cartridge case is nearly the size of the 7 RUM.

Just my $.02 but Berger will get my business for the high quality product they produce and tremendous customer service.

 

[WildRose]

I'm pretty much with Broz on this one. I've seen and read a lot of reports from those who were lucky enough to get their hands on these bullets and work up loads with them for this season.

Of those which appeared to be in any way objective the bullets seemed to perform very well on game.

As to the advertised BC's it's going to take a lot of people working up loads and verifying their drops down range to figure out if they are inflated and if so by how much.

There just aren't many people who are actually going to do that kind of due diligence and put their results out there in the public so it's going to take time for any real consensus to form.

Most of the reports I've seen of their performance on game are very good for the most part, but they are from people who are overwhelmingly shooting at sub 600yds ranges so they are not getting anywhere close to the minimum advertised velocities.

With a little bit of luck I'll get to run quite a few of them through the STW's ad 300wm's and pile up some bodies and see for myself what I think of them. I'm definitely encouraged at this point but I haven't seen enough yet to be convinced they are that great leap forward in long range hunting bullets we all hope they are.

 

[Broz]

WR when you get to testing the 210 ABLR's in your 300 plug in .610 to .612 for a G1 BC or the equivalent in G7 to start. I think you will find this to be a pretty close real world BC for them. They were just kidding about that .730 stuff.

Jeff

 

[WildRose]

WR when you get to testing the 210 ABLR's in your 300 plug in .610 to .612 for a G1 BC or the equivalent in G7 to start. I think you will find this to be a pretty close real world BC for them. They were just kidding about that .730 stuff.

Jeff

I'm probably going to run the 190 in the wm and the 210 in the 300 RUM. It'll be interesting to see how the BC works out with the additional MV.

 

[Broz]

It'll be interesting to see how the BC works out with the additional MV.

Yes, do test for yourself, but it should be close to the same. Higher velocity does not always equal high BC.

Jeff

 

[MontanaRifleman]

I'm probably going to run the 190 in the wm and the 210 in the 300 RUM. It'll be interesting to see how the BC works out with the additional MV.

The ABLR 210's are almost identical to the 208 AMax and 210 VLD in size and shape, and not surprisingly, they were tested by members here to have almost identical BC's as those bullets. Higher velocity may slightly increase G1 BC but it will not affect G7 BC. Bottom line is, they are no where near as advertised which is the same or better than a 215 Hybrid. They are not even close to a 215 Hybrid. As the old saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... well you know the rest.

The 7mm 175's on the other hand are very close to the 180 VLD's i9n size and shape and have been tested by members to have a very similar BC, not surprisingly.

As for terminal ballistics, so far, the limited reported results seem to indicate that at short ranges the ABLR's tend to be explosive and lack penetration. Not surprising for a tipped bullet that advertises a minimum opening velocity of 1300 fps.

I think the 308 210's would make a good 30-06 class bullet as the lower end performance velocity would help extend that cartridges max effective range. I personally would not use it in a larger cartridge if I thought a close shot was possible.

Maybe you could test some on some hogs. That would be very interesting, especially at higher velocities. I would never consider them in a RUM for more valued game animals.

 

[WildRose]

Yes, do test for yourself, but it should be close to the same. Higher velocity does not always equal high BC.

Jeff

Yep, should and is are often not the same thing.

 

[WildRose]

The ABLR 210's are almost identical to the 208 AMax and 210 VLD in size and shape, and not surprisingly, they were tested by members here to have almost identical BC's as those bullets. Higher velocity may slightly increase G1 BC but it will not affect G7 BC. Bottom line is, they are no where near as advertised which is the same or better than a 215 Hybrid. They are not even close to a 215 Hybrid. As the old saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... well you know the rest.

The 7mm 175's on the other hand are very close to the 180 VLD's i9n size and shape and have been tested by members to have a very similar BC, not surprisingly.

As for terminal ballistics, so far, the limited reported results seem to indicate that at short ranges the ABLR's tend to be explosive and lack penetration. Not surprising for a tipped bullet that advertises a minimum opening velocity of 1300 fps.

I think the 308 210's would make a good 30-06 class bullet as the lower end performance velocity would help extend that cartridges max effective range. I personally would not use it in a larger cartridge if I thought a close shot was possible.

Maybe you could test some on some hogs. That would be very interesting, especially at higher velocities. I would never consider them in a RUM for more valued game animals.

If I drag out the Rum it won't be for close work .

I think we'll see that my standard rule of "There aren't any magic bullets that give the same great performance at all ranges and velocities", the laws of physics just don't allow for it.

Probably 95% of my shooting is going to be between 300-800yds so while I want the highest BC bullets I can shoot accurately the more important thing is one that will hold together and give me solid penetration and expansion every time.

I rarely fire more than probably 5 shots a year at a thousand or beyond so that's not my focus.

 

[Rupe]

It seems to me that every sense Ol' man Nosler passed away, Nosler's information has become more of a wish then truth. I emailed a question to their tech. and got back more of a sales ad then an answer. I've also heard that customer service isn't as good. When a friend went to their store/factory, they were more for pushing their rifles then they were taking the time to talk about bullets.
Didn't bullets make that company? That's the bread and butter for that company. So hearing about the Nosler booth at SHOT really doesn't surprise me. It's just not the same company as days of old. To bad!
Ot will be interresting to see the reviews on the ABLR's from open minded independant testers.
Rupe

 

[NZ Longranger]

We've been shooting the 129gn 6.5 and the 175gn 7mm at over 3200fps, and have been struggling for accuracy so far. If they won't shoot at fast speeds, then ballistically they'll fall even further behind the equivalent Berger that will shoot flat out.
Gonna try them in some smaller chamberings that push them around 3000fps and see if they'll perform at that velocity.
Gotta get accuracy before even trying to work out a BC!

 

[cfstroud]

I've killed three whitetail deer with the 168 lr ab from my 7wsm, all died within 50 yards of where they were shot. The first one was killed on opening day at 36 yards,not exactly long range, deer was quartering to me bullet went in on his right side just behind his shoulder and exited his left side about 3/4 the way back. The second deer was shot at 125 yards, again, not exactly long range. The deer was broadside, bullet entered his left shoulder, no exit and no recovered bullet. He might have made it 15 ft from where he was shot to where he expired. The third deer, and the smallest, was shot at 325 yards, basically a bang flop deal as the bullet struck the deer at the base of the neck as he quartered to me and did not exit and was not recovered. Both deer that the bullets didn't exit from showed extensive internal damage to bone and organs. I'm sure the BC claims are inflated, but the darn things flat out shoot, first load we tried went .096 at 100 yards. I'm sure that one day they may fail me, and believe me that thought sticks in the back of my head, but I'm also a believer that shot placement trumps bullet design. Maybe that's why I have plans of a lighter weight 300 wsm to shoot regular accubonds.

 

[WildRose]

I've killed three whitetail deer with the 168 lr ab from my 7wsm, all died within 50 yards of where they were shot. The first one was killed on opening day at 36 yards,not exactly long range, deer was quartering to me bullet went in on his right side just behind his shoulder and exited his left side about 3/4 the way back. The second deer was shot at 125 yards, again, not exactly long range. The deer was broadside, bullet entered his left shoulder, no exit and no recovered bullet. He might have made it 15 ft from where he was shot to where he expired. The third deer, and the smallest, was shot at 325 yards, basically a bang flop deal as the bullet struck the deer at the base of the neck as he quartered to me and did not exit and was not recovered. Both deer that the bullets didn't exit from showed extensive internal damage to bone and organs. I'm sure the BC claims are inflated, but the darn things flat out shoot, first load we tried went .096 at 100 yards. I'm sure that one day they may fail me, and believe me that thought sticks in the back of my head, but I'm also a believer that shot placement trumps bullet design. Maybe that's why I have plans of a lighter weight 300 wsm to shoot regular accubonds.

Man with the kind of impact velocities you had with the first two up close most bullets become flying grenades! I'm glad to see they didn't fail you.

I'm thinking the next year or so will be interesting as we get more experience and first hand reports on the 600-1000yds performance on game.

So far the objective results I"m seeing tend to run about 85-90% or more towards the positive so that is very encouraging to me at least.