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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 134675" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Uncle B,</p><p></p><p>I understand your comments but please realize the possibilities that are out there. Will a 210 gr Berger fly to this range, sure it will.</p><p></p><p>Will it be supersonic, no chance in haties!!</p><p></p><p>Is it possible to hit something with this rifle, possible yes, likely or consistantly, never. Without knowing any real information about the actual shot, I can only imagine is was a result of sending alot of ammo down range and the moon and stars aligned and one of the bullets landed on its mark.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately, this is all that is required to qualify for the shot. Could this be a lie, sure it could, is it possible he made the shot, anything is possible as that bullet will certainly travel that far but again, if it did happen, it would be very interesting to hear the story about the shot.</p><p></p><p>I could care less about the shot that Jesse made. He is his own man and has to live with his word like we all do. I hope he is on the up and up. If it was total luck, it still counts!! Again, if I had gotten off my rear, this would not even be a topic right now.</p><p></p><p>As far as the rangefinder topic, there is no way it will range that far.........in one shot at least, BUT, depending on where he was at for the shot, some of Montana is pretty darn flat. He could have easily lined up a couple trucks between the point of the shot and the impact and ranged it in sections. Is this really accurate, no, not really but if the terrain is right it can be done and get within 50 to 100 yards easily even at these ranges. I hope this is what he did again because that RF has no chance at getting a consistant measurement at ranges of this class.</p><p></p><p>All that said, What saddens me more then anything is your comment about returning your award to Varmint Hunters in protest. Your shot was legit, we all know that and it would be a shame for you to give that back just because of the cloud over this years winner.</p><p></p><p>If anything, I would like to see you, as a past Long Shot of the Year award winner call them up and recommend that each winner of the Long Shot of the Year award should be interviewed for an article in the magazine. Not a one paragraph snip-it. Get us details and actual happenings on the shoot. Ask them to tell us complete specs on rifle and optical systems, rangefinders, load data, bullet, velocity all that good stuff. Conditions of the hunt, number of shots needed for the kill at this range.</p><p></p><p>Basically just give us a complete article about the event. Hell, its at least worth that much and we would all be interested to hear about it an it would answer alot of questions about the winners of these awards. Also, those that may be thinking of fibbing about extreme range shots may think twice before doing this because they would know they would have to answer some decent amount of questions for the write up.</p><p></p><p>Anyone that has shot at this range knows that one shot kills are the goal but not realistic to be honest. I got my 2370 yard kill in 5 shots from start to kill. This is a VERY slight amount of rounds and I know full well a large amount of luck was involved in the hit. I was also using about the most extreme ballistic performing system available today with a fresh barrel in extremely good shooting conditions. I also know I may well put over a hundred more rounds down the tube at varmints before breaking this personal best so it would be interesting just to know how many shots it took to make the kill. </p><p></p><p>As you said, you have to fire many shots to get your winning kill and to a fellow extreme range varminter, that does not take anything away from the accomplishment in any way. Hell, you get a kill at ranges past 2000 yards once every 30 rounds and you will be doing REALLY good work.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, my point is, I would really feel bad if you turned in your award over this. This winner, weither on the up and up or not should not take anything away from your award and as someone trying to achieve what you have already done, it would be a sad day for your fellow long range hunters to give up that award, even as a protest.</p><p></p><p>Alot of guys here on LRH were intimately attached to your development of the MOAGs and were with you all the way on your quest for the grand slam and when you won the LSY award, alot of guys on here got alot out of that because they had followed your progress along with GG and 7mm as well.</p><p></p><p>Don;t give it up please. Suggest they run a detailed article on the next winners or something like that but don't give up your award on account of this, it would be a shame to see a friend do this.</p><p></p><p>Just my opinion, take it for what you will, I did not mean to start us down this path with this topic.</p><p></p><p>Have a good one my friend and keep that award on your wall, We are all proud of your accomplishments and want you to keep what you worked hard for and invested alot of time and money into achieving.</p><p></p><p>Kirby Allen(50)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 134675, member: 10"] Uncle B, I understand your comments but please realize the possibilities that are out there. Will a 210 gr Berger fly to this range, sure it will. Will it be supersonic, no chance in haties!! Is it possible to hit something with this rifle, possible yes, likely or consistantly, never. Without knowing any real information about the actual shot, I can only imagine is was a result of sending alot of ammo down range and the moon and stars aligned and one of the bullets landed on its mark. Unfortunately, this is all that is required to qualify for the shot. Could this be a lie, sure it could, is it possible he made the shot, anything is possible as that bullet will certainly travel that far but again, if it did happen, it would be very interesting to hear the story about the shot. I could care less about the shot that Jesse made. He is his own man and has to live with his word like we all do. I hope he is on the up and up. If it was total luck, it still counts!! Again, if I had gotten off my rear, this would not even be a topic right now. As far as the rangefinder topic, there is no way it will range that far.........in one shot at least, BUT, depending on where he was at for the shot, some of Montana is pretty darn flat. He could have easily lined up a couple trucks between the point of the shot and the impact and ranged it in sections. Is this really accurate, no, not really but if the terrain is right it can be done and get within 50 to 100 yards easily even at these ranges. I hope this is what he did again because that RF has no chance at getting a consistant measurement at ranges of this class. All that said, What saddens me more then anything is your comment about returning your award to Varmint Hunters in protest. Your shot was legit, we all know that and it would be a shame for you to give that back just because of the cloud over this years winner. If anything, I would like to see you, as a past Long Shot of the Year award winner call them up and recommend that each winner of the Long Shot of the Year award should be interviewed for an article in the magazine. Not a one paragraph snip-it. Get us details and actual happenings on the shoot. Ask them to tell us complete specs on rifle and optical systems, rangefinders, load data, bullet, velocity all that good stuff. Conditions of the hunt, number of shots needed for the kill at this range. Basically just give us a complete article about the event. Hell, its at least worth that much and we would all be interested to hear about it an it would answer alot of questions about the winners of these awards. Also, those that may be thinking of fibbing about extreme range shots may think twice before doing this because they would know they would have to answer some decent amount of questions for the write up. Anyone that has shot at this range knows that one shot kills are the goal but not realistic to be honest. I got my 2370 yard kill in 5 shots from start to kill. This is a VERY slight amount of rounds and I know full well a large amount of luck was involved in the hit. I was also using about the most extreme ballistic performing system available today with a fresh barrel in extremely good shooting conditions. I also know I may well put over a hundred more rounds down the tube at varmints before breaking this personal best so it would be interesting just to know how many shots it took to make the kill. As you said, you have to fire many shots to get your winning kill and to a fellow extreme range varminter, that does not take anything away from the accomplishment in any way. Hell, you get a kill at ranges past 2000 yards once every 30 rounds and you will be doing REALLY good work. Anyway, my point is, I would really feel bad if you turned in your award over this. This winner, weither on the up and up or not should not take anything away from your award and as someone trying to achieve what you have already done, it would be a sad day for your fellow long range hunters to give up that award, even as a protest. Alot of guys here on LRH were intimately attached to your development of the MOAGs and were with you all the way on your quest for the grand slam and when you won the LSY award, alot of guys on here got alot out of that because they had followed your progress along with GG and 7mm as well. Don;t give it up please. Suggest they run a detailed article on the next winners or something like that but don't give up your award on account of this, it would be a shame to see a friend do this. Just my opinion, take it for what you will, I did not mean to start us down this path with this topic. Have a good one my friend and keep that award on your wall, We are all proud of your accomplishments and want you to keep what you worked hard for and invested alot of time and money into achieving. Kirby Allen(50) [/QUOTE]
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