My long winded thoughts on annealing

FEENIX

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Again, you mistake me… good grief 🤦🏻‍♂️. I get the impression you’d be happier if I just left this forum. Perhaps I will if this is the majority of feedback I get. I definitely don’t need to be here if this is how it is. I have no ego that needs to be stroked. I’m in no way trying to be high and mighty. Why do you seem to take such offense to my posts and comments lately? I added that particular paragraph you quoted to help explain myself since I felt I needed to after a few particular comments, not to somehow say I’m better than anyone for crying out loud. I’m not. Not at all. Are you really that insecure? Good day to you, neighbor.
Brother, I hope you do not leave this forum as quite a few of us are willing and able to learn, even this old fart. Have I told you my ignore list is growing?
 

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My attempts with a torch and a socket weren’t good either. This subject always brings up a lot of controversy and really it comes down to what works for you. I have the amp annealer and I notice more accuracy improvements in cartridges that have more freebore like weatherby. I found that groups that looked great at 1-200 yards were opening up more than expected as I extended the range. I’m sure a flame process will give the same results but I’ll say that i really like the simplicity of the amp annealer
 

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Brother, I hope you do not leave this forum as quite a few of us are willing and able to learn, even this old fart. Have I told you my ignore list is growing?
Yes, you have. Perhaps I should do the same, but while it’s frustrating sometimes to get such negative feedback, I still appreciate seeing what is said. If I can’t see that a majority don’t appreciate my efforts, I won’t know I'm wasting said efforts lol. I can use the time spent on here to do something else lol. I guess what’s most frustrating is being misunderstood when I’m only trying to help and share experiences. Things do get misconstrued from text too, I understand that.

Even making part of this particular post in a comment elsewhere and then deciding, “you know, perhaps this would make for a good post on its own” was taken negatively by a few. If I knew how to delete a comment, I would have simply deleted that comment after making this post, but I can’t figure out how to. I was even accused of googling and copying and pasting lol yet I’m the one the high horse…. 🤔.
 

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My attempts with a torch and a socket weren’t good either. This subject always brings up a lot of controversy and really it comes down to what works for you. I have the amp annealer and I notice more accuracy improvements in cartridges that have more freebore like weatherby. I found that groups that looked great at 1-200 yards were opening up more than expected as I extended the range. I’m sure a flame process will give the same results but I’ll say that i really like the simplicity of the amp annealer
I found the same thing. Small things become much more pronounced the further the target. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 

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Again, you mistake me… good grief 🤦🏻‍♂️. I get the impression you’d be happier if I just left this forum. Perhaps I will if this is the majority of feedback I get. I definitely don’t need to be here if this is how it is. I have no ego that needs to be stroked. I’m in no way trying to be high and mighty. Why do you seem to take such offense to my posts and comments lately? I added that particular paragraph you quoted to help explain myself since I felt I needed to after a few particular comments, not to somehow say I’m better than anyone for crying out loud. I’m not. Not at all. Are you really that insecure? Good day to you, neighbor.
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I’ve never seen any specific data, but I think it’d be interesting to see different calibers of brass induction annealed and then do the same with gas and subject them to Vickers hardness testing. The comparisons I’m sure would be interesting and it would help eliminate some of the debate...
 

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Yes, you have. Perhaps I should do the same, but while it’s frustrating sometimes to get such negative feedback, I still appreciate seeing what is said. If I can’t see that a majority don’t appreciate my efforts, I won’t know I'm wasting said efforts lol. I can use the time spent on here to do something else lol. I guess what’s most frustrating is being misunderstood when I’m only trying to help and share experiences. Things do get misconstrued from text too, I understand that.

Even making part of this particular post in a comment elsewhere and then deciding, “you know, perhaps this would make for a good post on its own” was taken negatively by a few. If I knew how to delete a comment, I would have simply deleted that comment after making this post, but I can’t figure out how to. I was even accused of googling and copying and pasting lol yet I’m the one the high horse…. 🤔.
Brother, take it from a pointed head; it is not worth it for a booger hooker or BB stacker to get to an unnecessary red ball situation. As far as I know, all of this negativity is not what the site owner(s) had in mind when it was established. Carry on, have I told you my thread ignore list is also growing.
 

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I’ve never seen any specific data, but I think it’d be interesting to see different calibers of brass induction annealed and then do the same with gas and subject them to Vickers hardness testing. The comparisons I’m sure would be interesting and it would help eliminate some of the debate...
I seen a video where the amp guys were saying flame can do an equal job but for myself, I reload a lot of different cartridges and just from seeing the different amount of time from one brand to the next makes me glad to have it. I screwed up some 300 weatherby brass a while back inputting adg 6.5 creedmoor code on about 10 of them. I loaded and shot a couple with the chronograph and they ran about 80fps off. Out of curiosity, I sized them and then resized through a standard neck die multiple times until I could feel the neck tension coming back or at least my perception of them getting tighter just to see if I could bring them back to life. Haven’t shot them yet but for my own interest and to save them will be good. It never hurts to debate and argue over a subject like this. Wrong or right it puts a light on the subject and it’s good to share for those who might be struggling with they’re current practices. Food for thought I guess I’m saying
 

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I seen a video where the amp guys were saying flame can do an equal job
Alex is very honest about his opinions, he even put it in writing on his website:

For those reloaders considering getting started on annealing, and who are on a budget, we would recommend a gas flame-based option.

The part that ticks people off is when the whole sentence is posted:

What is the point of taking on all that risk, when the results are so poor? There are several ways to achieve correct annealing. Molten salt bath "annealing" isn't one of them. For those reloaders considering getting started on annealing, and who are on a budget, we would recommend a gas flame-based option.

For some reason there's always a salt-bather who gets bent out of shape when the AMP data is posted, someone inevitably claims AMP made up all their data to sell their machine, screaming ensues. Which leads me to:


Annealing Thread Life Cycle©
  1. <annealing question asked or comment made>
  2. Typical list of common procedures in responses
  3. AMP is mentioned.
  4. Dumpster Fire GIF by MOODMAN

  5. The torch-and-sockets guys laugh and drink moonshine.
  6. The AMP guys laugh and drink white wine or sip a lime and tonic to look like they're drinking. (<<< I am here 🤣 )
  7. The Annie Fluxeon guys are sitting on the curb waiting for the Brown Truck Man to come.
  8. The Annealez guys laugh and fiddle with their dial.
  9. The guys with Bench Source machines aren't here, they're cleaning their barrel after their second shot of the day, taken 3 hours after the first shot. They have 97 wind flags set up on the 100-yard line.
  10. @FEENIX blocks someone
  11. @ButterBean accidently posts "use a faster powder" because he thought this was Page 137 of the Absolute Hammer load data thread. The guy who asked the question he was responding to couldn't read the first 136 pages of that thread for some reason so he doesn't know there's no reason to use H1000 in a 6.5CM with a 97gn AH.
  12. @Zen Archery has actually killed 14 pigs while I was typing this post (he already has the full-HD thermal video on YouTube if you need a break from the annealing thread - I'm serious, watch the one where he shoots the Armadillo)
  13. It dies down for a week or three....
  14. .... then someone says "just use a torch and socket", thankfully not starting their own thread to restart the cycle in full.

Y'all might as well laugh about it, no one is getting out of life alive.
 

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Alex is very honest about his opinions, he even put it in writing on his website:



The part that ticks people off is when the whole sentence is posted:



For some reason there's always a salt-bather who gets bent out of shape when the AMP data is posted, someone inevitably claims AMP made up all their data to sell their machine, screaming ensues. Which leads me to:


Annealing Thread Life Cycle©
  1. <annealing question asked or comment made>
  2. Typical list of common procedures in responses
  3. AMP is mentioned.
  4. Dumpster Fire GIF by MOODMAN

  5. The torch-and-sockets guys laugh and drink moonshine.
  6. The AMP guys laugh and drink white wine or sip a lime and tonic to look like they're drinking. (<<< I am here 🤣 )
  7. The Annie Fluxeon guys are sitting on the curb waiting for the Brown Truck Man to come.
  8. The Annealez guys laugh and fiddle with their dial.
  9. The guys with Bench Source machines aren't here, they're cleaning their barrel after their second shot of the day, taken 3 hours after the first shot. They have 97 wind flags set up on the 100-yard line.
  10. @FEENIX blocks someone
  11. @ButterBean accidently posts "use a faster powder" because he thought this was Page 137 of the Absolute Hammer load data thread. The guy who asked the question he was responding to couldn't read the first 136 pages of that thread for some reason so he doesn't know there's no reason to use H1000 in a 6.5CM with a 97gn AH.
  12. @Zen Archery has actually killed 14 pigs while I was typing this post (he already has the full-HD thermal video on YouTube if you need a break from the annealing thread - I'm serious, watch the one where he shoots the Armadillo)
  13. It dies down for a week or three....
  14. .... then someone says "just use a torch and socket", thankfully not starting their own thread to restart the cycle in full.
I think this sums it up quite well. Thanks for taking the time here to make me chuckle lol. I attempted to make my own version and I did try to keep bias out of it, but of course that’s impossible as folks will always interpret things however they want.

Honestly, these forums are mostly full of just repeats of most things and someone else’s opinions and thoughts, and a lot of arguing and bickering on who’s right or more right.

I think I’ve added about all I care to add with the posts I’ve made thus far. Annealing was pretty much the last bit. I think I’ve contributed as much as I care to for a while, as far as actual posts from me are concerned. I’ll stick around and still comment and help out and learn from others though.
 

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Alex is very honest about his opinions, he even put it in writing on his website:



The part that ticks people off is when the whole sentence is posted:



For some reason there's always a salt-bather who gets bent out of shape when the AMP data is posted, someone inevitably claims AMP made up all their data to sell their machine, screaming ensues. Which leads me to:


Annealing Thread Life Cycle©
  1. <annealing question asked or comment made>
  2. Typical list of common procedures in responses
  3. AMP is mentioned.
  4. Dumpster Fire GIF by MOODMAN

  5. The torch-and-sockets guys laugh and drink moonshine.
  6. The AMP guys laugh and drink white wine or sip a lime and tonic to look like they're drinking. (<<< I am here 🤣 )
  7. The Annie Fluxeon guys are sitting on the curb waiting for the Brown Truck Man to come.
  8. The Annealez guys laugh and fiddle with their dial.
  9. The guys with Bench Source machines aren't here, they're cleaning their barrel after their second shot of the day, taken 3 hours after the first shot. They have 97 wind flags set up on the 100-yard line.
  10. @FEENIX blocks someone
  11. @ButterBean accidently posts "use a faster powder" because he thought this was Page 137 of the Absolute Hammer load data thread. The guy who asked the question he was responding to couldn't read the first 136 pages of that thread for some reason so he doesn't know there's no reason to use H1000 in a 6.5CM with a 97gn AH.
  12. @Zen Archery has actually killed 14 pigs while I was typing this post (he already has the full-HD thermal video on YouTube if you need a break from the annealing thread - I'm serious, watch the one where he shoots the Armadillo)
  13. It dies down for a week or three....
  14. .... then someone says "just use a torch and socket", thankfully not starting their own thread to restart the cycle in full.

Y'all might as well laugh about it, no one is getting out of life alive.
I'm Dead
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justinp61

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Alex is very honest about his opinions, he even put it in writing on his website:



The part that ticks people off is when the whole sentence is posted:



For some reason there's always a salt-bather who gets bent out of shape when the AMP data is posted, someone inevitably claims AMP made up all their data to sell their machine, screaming ensues. Which leads me to:


Annealing Thread Life Cycle©
  1. <annealing question asked or comment made>
  2. Typical list of common procedures in responses
  3. AMP is mentioned.
  4. Dumpster Fire GIF by MOODMAN

  5. The torch-and-sockets guys laugh and drink moonshine.
  6. The AMP guys laugh and drink white wine or sip a lime and tonic to look like they're drinking. (<<< I am here 🤣 )
  7. The Annie Fluxeon guys are sitting on the curb waiting for the Brown Truck Man to come.
  8. The Annealez guys laugh and fiddle with their dial.
  9. The guys with Bench Source machines aren't here, they're cleaning their barrel after their second shot of the day, taken 3 hours after the first shot. They have 97 wind flags set up on the 100-yard line.
  10. @FEENIX blocks someone
  11. @ButterBean accidently posts "use a faster powder" because he thought this was Page 137 of the Absolute Hammer load data thread. The guy who asked the question he was responding to couldn't read the first 136 pages of that thread for some reason so he doesn't know there's no reason to use H1000 in a 6.5CM with a 97gn AH.
  12. @Zen Archery has actually killed 14 pigs while I was typing this post (he already has the full-HD thermal video on YouTube if you need a break from the annealing thread - I'm serious, watch the one where he shoots the Armadillo)
  13. It dies down for a week or three....
  14. .... then someone says "just use a torch and socket", thankfully not starting their own thread to restart the cycle in full.

Y'all might as well laugh about it, no one is getting out of life alive.

Hey, there's nothing wrong with moonshine!
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Petey, I liked your post, very informative and backs up all the positives I have experienced my my AMP. I was a very early adopter, had mine for years it’s the very first model Alex put out and it’s annealed 1000’s of rounds with zero issues. I’ve also had an annealeze, royal pain to switch calibers and if my AMP quite tomorrow I would be giving Alex a call for another one.
The same naysayers on this thread are some of the same ones that run other great members down on other threads. Doesn’t take long to see this. Just say thanks for their input and move on.
I appreciate your post, stick around!
 
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