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Mule Creek Outfitting Hunt Report - By Len Backus
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ss7mm
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Congratulations to both of you on a very successful hunt in some beautiful country. I don't doubt that you'll end up back there again. 
Thanks for sharing Len. Not sure how I missed this but your photography skills are impressive! Some really nice pics!
BTW, another thing you will appreciate about mules is they are much more stable on steep, rocky, or shale trails than horses. They really are the way to go for mountain work.
BTW, another thing you will appreciate about mules is they are much more stable on steep, rocky, or shale trails than horses. They really are the way to go for mountain work.
Len,
Your criteria for evaluating a successful hunting experience are spot on. You were hunting in my backyard though I mostly hunt antelope a few miles down the road. Great story, pictures, and deer; in that order. Truly wonderful photos.
Congratulations on a very memorable hunt.
Regards!
Matt
Your criteria for evaluating a successful hunting experience are spot on. You were hunting in my backyard though I mostly hunt antelope a few miles down the road. Great story, pictures, and deer; in that order. Truly wonderful photos.
Congratulations on a very memorable hunt.
Regards!
Matt
NMcCullough
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Just a question.....What is a licensed hunting concession? I'm guessing that the outfitter leases land for exclusive outfitting rights? Since the land is public, is it still for the public's use but just excluding other outfitters from conducting their operation on that particular tract of land?
NMcCullough,
Let me take a stab at answering your question and I'm sure Len, and others, will add additional details or clarification.
I have several friends, here in Wyoming, that own outfitting businesses. As an outfitter, if you lease a specific area from the US Forest Service, you are the only licensed outfitter that is able to set up a permanent camp in that area. In most cases that permanent camp is quite a ways in by horse. Having your hunters stage out of that camp provides them with amenities and the chance to get up early and began hunting as soon as you step out of your tent. No other licensed outfitter can set up a camp in your area, however, he can operate "day hunts" in those areas. Again, an outfitter usually sets up his permanent camp quite a ways into the hills, so unless a rival outfitter wants to start horse packing his day clients in at midnight, he's usually not going to put much pressure on the best areas within the leased territory.
Public access is completely unfettered. As a member of the public, I could walk right through an outfitter's camp, although it would be very rude of me to do so. Several of my favorite mule deer spots are located within an outfitter's leased area. The advantage the outfitter has is that he's living in the middle of this game Mecca and he gets a real up close and personal feel for specific animals and animal movements. I've spent many hunting days within an outfitter's leased area and have never laid eyes on a paying hunter. Although, I've got to start walking at midnight to put myself in the best position for spotting mule deer at daybreak.
Sometimes I come across a gut pile where I expected a big buck to be eating breakfast. Those days I just smile and move on. Advantage goes to the guy who gets to live in the middle of the hunting area. I'm not positive about the specifics but outfitters pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for the privilege of maintaining their leased area. That's on top of a huge initial fee to whoever the previous outfitter was and his initial fee to the USFS. Those fees get into the hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on the quality of the area.
Just a few things that I've picked up from my friends who are in the business. I'm sure there's more to it.
Matt
Let me take a stab at answering your question and I'm sure Len, and others, will add additional details or clarification.
I have several friends, here in Wyoming, that own outfitting businesses. As an outfitter, if you lease a specific area from the US Forest Service, you are the only licensed outfitter that is able to set up a permanent camp in that area. In most cases that permanent camp is quite a ways in by horse. Having your hunters stage out of that camp provides them with amenities and the chance to get up early and began hunting as soon as you step out of your tent. No other licensed outfitter can set up a camp in your area, however, he can operate "day hunts" in those areas. Again, an outfitter usually sets up his permanent camp quite a ways into the hills, so unless a rival outfitter wants to start horse packing his day clients in at midnight, he's usually not going to put much pressure on the best areas within the leased territory.
Public access is completely unfettered. As a member of the public, I could walk right through an outfitter's camp, although it would be very rude of me to do so. Several of my favorite mule deer spots are located within an outfitter's leased area. The advantage the outfitter has is that he's living in the middle of this game Mecca and he gets a real up close and personal feel for specific animals and animal movements. I've spent many hunting days within an outfitter's leased area and have never laid eyes on a paying hunter. Although, I've got to start walking at midnight to put myself in the best position for spotting mule deer at daybreak.
Sometimes I come across a gut pile where I expected a big buck to be eating breakfast. Those days I just smile and move on. Advantage goes to the guy who gets to live in the middle of the hunting area. I'm not positive about the specifics but outfitters pay tens of thousands of dollars a year for the privilege of maintaining their leased area. That's on top of a huge initial fee to whoever the previous outfitter was and his initial fee to the USFS. Those fees get into the hundreds of thousands of dollars depending on the quality of the area.
Just a few things that I've picked up from my friends who are in the business. I'm sure there's more to it.
Matt
NMcCullough
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Matt
Thanks for the response. That is mostly what I figured, but want to be clear. I actually live in Wyoming (Greybull) as well (probably should update my profile) and am slowly learning that lay of the land so to speak. I won't be considered a resident till next season as far as game and fish is concerned and figure that will give me some time to formulate a plan.
Thanks for the response. That is mostly what I figured, but want to be clear. I actually live in Wyoming (Greybull) as well (probably should update my profile) and am slowly learning that lay of the land so to speak. I won't be considered a resident till next season as far as game and fish is concerned and figure that will give me some time to formulate a plan.
jmden
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Great story and write up, Len. Sounds like a great time. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Len, it doesn't get any better. Congratulations on your fine buck.
I thought my region G hunt just north of you in the Greys River range was gonna be a one time deal. But after experiencing the exhileration of high mountain scenery on horseback I'm gonna do whatever I can to get back every couple of years, God willing.
I thought my region G hunt just north of you in the Greys River range was gonna be a one time deal. But after experiencing the exhileration of high mountain scenery on horseback I'm gonna do whatever I can to get back every couple of years, God willing.
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Mule Creek John
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It is that time of year again. We are going to be attending several of the state hunting expos and deer classics around the midwest over the next 3 months and we are now booking hunts for 2012 and beyond. The Wyoming Elk drawing applications are due in by the end of the month and Mule Deer and Antelope March 15th. You can't hunt in Wyoming if you don't enter the drawing for the tag. Best of luck in the draws. Call me for your Wyoming elk, antelope and mule deer hunting questions.
1100 Remington Man
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Nice Deer Len
barnesuser28
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Len if you have any pictures of the bullets i would love to see what they look like.
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Sorry, no bullet pix.
emn83
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Don't know why I haven't read this article until now...Thanks for a great write up Len, This has really helped me lean toward a high country Mulie hunt. I was looking at Mule Creek and now am very interested...just a couple more years and I could make this happen
