Mass Shootings - Why?

Nobody should sell an 18 year old kid those guns.
If a bar tender can be held accountable for selling to much booze to a drunk why not a gun shop owner?
OH I know he has rights ,Bull ****!
Fishing for some attention this morning I see. I'm sure it will work for you. I'll pray you find something fulfilling to do with your life so you won't need to start arguments in order to feel normal.

Everyone is accountable for their own actions. People like you might try to argue otherwise, but that's only because you wish someone other than you was responsible for your failures. In the end, there you always are.


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I Agree , but working in gun sales , it would have raised a eye brow . I sold guns before the 1968 gun control act and after , if you sold a gun too someone that filled out everything right but something raised a red flag it might help us too keep our gun rights if it was reported too the local authorities. I think a 18 yr old 2000 rds of ammo 50 magazines , 2 Daniel defense AR s , might have raised my eye brow . I don't know all the details , but someone dropped the ball on this one. Believe me I think we have all the laws we need but with stricter enforcement. If we are too keep our gun rights , we have too figure out a way too keep them out of the wrong hands as much as possible.
No sure I'd the accuracy of this, but I heard a report that in Texas, the age limit for the sale of firearms through a dealer is 21. The shooter bought his firearm from a private seller for which this restriction does not apply. Anyone know if this is accurate?
 
I agree with the keeping them out of the wrong hands but how many 18 year old kids go out and buy an AR for the cool factor as soon as they are legally able to? Stephen Paddock was 64. Where do you set the age to where someone is no longer suspicious?Punishing the masses for a few psychos is doing nothing but punishing the masses. I do not have the answer and won't claim I do but I can tell you that nothing I have read on this thread or heard in the media will stop a psychotic person from mass killings they will just find another way. I will also not lay blame on LE. It was the psycho and only the psycho that caused this. The only people who know what happened and why were the LE on site and I am sure none of them know exactly what happened and why. I try to let all the facts come out before I personally form an opinion and sometimes still don't understand it at which point I keep my opinion to myself but that's just me.
 
No sure I'd the accuracy of this, but I heard a report that in Texas, the age limit for the sale of firearms through a dealer is 21. The shooter bought his firearm from a private seller for which this restriction does not apply. Anyone know if this is accurate?
I don't believe this to be true.
 
Those guns retail for $1800.-$2000
Nobody should sell an 18 year old kid those guns.
If a bar tender can be held accountable for selling to much booze to a drunk why not a gun shop owner?
OH I know he has rights ,Bull ****!
If an 18 year old has to register for the draft and potentially be called up to defend our constitution - including the 2nd amendment, then that 18 year old should be able to benefit from his natural right bestowed by that 2nd amendment to arm and defend himself.

Drinking is not a constitutionally guaranteed right.
 
No sure I'd the accuracy of this, but I heard a report that in Texas, the age limit for the sale of firearms through a dealer is 21. The shooter bought his firearm from a private seller for which this restriction does not apply. Anyone know if this is accurate?
He received his rifles through an FFL holder and passed the background check for both rifles. Texas allows 18 year olds to purchase long guns.
 
No sure I'd the accuracy of this, but I heard a report that in Texas, the age limit for the sale of firearms through a dealer is 21. The shooter bought his firearm from a private seller for which this restriction does not apply. Anyone know if this is accurate?
The law in Texas is 18 for long guns and 21 for handguns is purchased through an FFL. Private sales have no such restrictions on the sale.

He bought these guns at a gun store which is an FFL holder.
 
The words below represent my attempt to explain where we are as a society and why mass shootings are not only inevitable, but understandable, given the choices we are making on a societal level.

"The Manifesto makes five main arguments: (1) modern technology constitutes an indivisible, self-perpetuating 'system' that is not under human control; (2) human beings are biologically and psychologically maladapted to life in a technological society; (3) the continued development of the technological system will inevitably lead to catastrophe (i.e. the destruction of humanity or its total subordination to the system); (4) since the technological system cannot be controlled, and hence cannot be reformed, a revolutionary overthrow of the system is necessary to avert catastrophe; and (5) leftist activism is a form of pseudo-rebellion that serves to distract attention from the problem of technology.12"

The above quote is a synopses of the Unibomber's Manifesto. I think about the ideas espoused by this "madman" way too often as I watch society blindly accept every new advancement the tech industry throws at us. I think it's pretty clear at this point in time that many in our society cannot handle the awesome responsibility that comes with being given all these new toys.

We have become a "rights" based society at the expense of accountability. Try to take away any right from any person and they will scream to high heaven that they are being infringed upon. Try to suggest that rights should be earned, not given and you'll be looked at like you have three heads! Even, and especially, our institutions have evolved to give us what is our right(home ownership, new cars, a college education, employment), with almost zero accountability. Most on this forum claim to hate Socialism and yet we all live and participate in a state of voluntary socialism; insurance and banking to name the two most obvious. God forbid anyone has to earn and save their money first before they purchase their home, car, education, etc...instead of being given a loan from the other members of society because of some wacked sense of "rights" and then having that purchase, whether it was sound or not, guaranteed through insurance.

If our institutions all promote rights exclusively while barely even acknowledging personal responsibility/accountability (right to abortion, right to vote, right to citizenship, right to be whatever gender I feel like being today, etc...) why would our fellow citizens ever value responsibility over their supposed right to happiness, prosperity, and fame? We are creating monsters and misfits, arming them with illusions and weapons, and somehow expecting good results? Who's crazy here?

In light of the serous problems our country faces, I just don't see how simple fixes(take way guns, armed guards, etc...) will do anything but aggravate the situation. I apologize for this extremely negative post but we've had it coming for awhile, and the writing's been on the wall.

Jim
 
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