Major copper fouling?

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I use Barnes CR-10 and it works faster than Sweet's and Butch's Bore Shine. It does contain ammonia, but it saves so much scrubbing time, I don't mind the smell.
I agree, wet a patch and run thru bore, let sit for 5 minutes and run a nylon bore brush thru. Switch to hoppe's and alternate wet and dry patches about 5-6 times and see if bore isn't clean. Barnes knows how to clean copper deposit's just don't leave it in for more than five minutes, then clean.
 

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If that copper color bothers you that much, nylon brush and Isso or JB bore paste and work the area for 8-10 strokes. It'll clean it up. Sweets works too as well as some others. I use 50BMG or Butches bore shine on all mine. Seems to do well on copper and carbon/powder.
 

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I’m bummed out that I’m almost out of this stuff. It’s got a copper removing additive in it and when you push the foam out (after letting it sit for 30-40 minutes) it’s a pretty blue color. I use it alternately with Hoppes and it works great. I got some Sweets too but that stuff pretty strong.
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A lot of shooters rave about Foul Out foam. I used there "Accelerator" and Foul Out foam until the patches came out clean. Then, just for the heck of it, I ran a few wet patches with Bore Tech Eliminator and let it sit for awhile. When following up with another wet patch I was surprised to find more blue on the patch.
I use plated jags and nylon brushes so the blue wasn't coming from my cleaning routine.

Just my observation.
 

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If you get all of the first 4-5" of the throat cleaned up well, your barrel will shoot like new even if you don't get every bit of copper out of the remaining bore. I always try to reach the clean patch point before finishing the regiment but it's not necessary everytime. In the off season I'll scrub them that way but getting 75-80% of the worse dirty out is good when I'm using the rifles.
 

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If you get all of the first 4-5" of the throat cleaned up well, your barrel will shoot like new even if you don't get every bit of copper out of the remaining bore. I always try to reach the clean patch point before finishing the regiment but it's not necessary everytime. In the off season I'll scrub them that way but getting 75-80% of the worse dirty out is good when I'm using the rifles.
How can I tell that the first few inches is clean? It looks like it is when looking from the bolt position. but when I look down the muzzle end you can’t tell the copper is there either only when looking at it from a sharp angle. If that makes any sense
 

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If you get all of the first 4-5" of the throat cleaned up well, your barrel will shoot like new even if you don't get every bit of copper out of the remaining bore. I always try to reach the clean patch point before finishing the regiment but it's not necessary everytime. In the off season I'll scrub them that way but getting 75-80% of the worse dirty out is good when I'm using the rifles.
Interesting, good to know. I think the JB bottle even says something about the first third of the barrel.
 

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How can I tell that the first few inches is clean? It looks like it is when looking from the bolt position. but when I look down the muzzle end you can’t tell the copper is there either only when looking at it from a sharp angle. If that makes any sense
I use a borescope. Picked up one of the 50.00 Teslong models on Amazon. Plugs into my cell phone and is a awesome tool for cleaning. Every shooter should have one JUST for cleaning rifles
 

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Savage factory barrels are notorious for copper fouling, they typically shoot pretty decent but have tooling Mark's that contribute to the copper.
I wouldnt shoot more than about 25-30 rounds before I cleaned the barrel.
Savage and Remington seem to foul up pretty bad. Most factory barrels IMO foul faster than custom rifle barrels. At least mine have been that way.
 

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Savage factory barrels are notorious for copper fouling, they typically shoot pretty decent but have tooling Mark's that contribute to the copper.
I wouldnt shoot more than about 25-30 rounds before I cleaned the barrel.
What’s a tooling mark? From the cleaning rods?
 

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How can I tell that the first few inches is clean? It looks like it is when looking from the bolt position. but when I look down the muzzle end you can’t tell the copper is there either only when looking at it from a sharp angle. If that makes any sense
It’s very frustrating but you can’t really tell much about a bore by looking down it. It may look nice and shiny but the things lurking therein can be deceiving. I need to get off my cheap butt and get a borescope!
 

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