Low recoil deer rig for friend with cancer

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by TX Badger, Dec 4, 2017.


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  1. Laelkhunter

    Laelkhunter Well-Known Member

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    Look at the 7mm08 cartridge. My grandson shoots one with the Hornady Custom Lite Recoil ammo. The bullet is designed to be effective at the lower velocity. He is only 10 years old, and shot a doe with it on his first hunting trip. Very low recoil, but quite effective on deer.
    The rifle is a Savage Youth model, so I couldn't recommend that for your friend. Others here have a better idea as far as the rifle.
     
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  2. Jester896

    Jester896 Well-Known Member

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    for 10 years or so I hunted with my M77VT in .25-06. I can't tell you how many times I was able to see hair fly or other things. I ran the Hornady Custom loads in 117 gr Interlock SPBT and got about .5 MOA accuracy from them. My handloads with the same bullet running the same speed on IMR4831 I am able to get approx. .26 MOA. I routinely shot 100-200 yard ranges and longer.
     
  3. martinakl

    martinakl Well-Known Member LRH Team Member

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    +1 for the 6.5 Grendel, Howa Mini Action.
     
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  4. FatBoy...

    FatBoy... Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure you've seen this before, but this is how I determine if my daughter (now 23 but petite) can handle the recoil over a 60 shot match. Going from a 6BR with 107s to a 6Dasher with 107s was like. .5# difference in her rifle, which is heavy by anyone's standard. This is a good way to compare an idea rifle to rifles you currently shoot, so you have a reference of the recoil and the impact speed.

    http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmrecoil-5.1.cgi
     
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  5. nonnieselman

    nonnieselman Well-Known Member

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    Any thoughts on an AR in 6.8 SPC? Ive been using one since 2008 for deer, hogs, coyotes, and varmints. Ive taken over 800 hogs with it and about 400+ MS Deer with it, no complaints and its very soft shooting with an Adjustable Gas Block and H3 buffer.
    120gr Hornady SST and 105gr Cavity Back Bullets are my go to bullets in the 12.5" and 16" barrels.
    Furthest hog was 330 yards and furthest deer was 480 yards. Bullets worked great.
     
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  6. TX Badger

    TX Badger Well-Known Member

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    Thank you. I have seen tables but never this calculator. This is very useful. Thanks to everyone for the feedback. This calculator really gives me all the info I need on cartridges. The AR option is interesting and I had not really considered it bc I have never put one together or had any interest in them. My friend really should not have any impact on his jaw so I was most interested in feedback on the stock concept. With some additional research I also read the section on the PRS blog about staying target with different muzzle brakes. It looks like the JP Eliminator really negates muzzle rise which should help prevent face slap.
     
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  8. TX Badger

    TX Badger Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, it's a thought, but one of the criteria that I am trying to stick to is the ability to load up to a higher power round as he recovers. I think I am pretty much set on that front. The 6.5 Creed will let me load down to 100 gr Partitions (light recoil, fast and flat for the first 200 yds., should hit like a hammer and penetrate well) and then later I can go all the way up to 140-150 class bullets.
     
  9. Smokinghole

    Smokinghole Well-Known Member

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    What about a SA savage and you can do switch barrel from a small round like 6BR or 6.5 Grendel to start. Then swap the barrel for a full power load later with a bigger cartridge.
     
  10. TX Badger

    TX Badger Well-Known Member

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    I considered that, but he's not the gun and shooting nut that I am. This is a pure hunting rig so I am trying to avoid having him invest in a 2nd barrel. I think I can load the Creed down enough with 100 gr partitions. They'll be going over 3000 fps even with a mild load and should hit a deer pretty hard inside of 200 yds. With a 12-14 lb rig, a brake that cuts recoil by over 50%, and eliminates muzzle rise I do not think it should hit is face.

    I am most curious about the stock cheek weld scenario that I outlined. This is where I am unsure as it is so different than anything I have ever seen. I was hoping that on a large forum like this maybe someone had a similar experience.
     
  11. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    You said he's already got an AR, so that's why I suggested building a custom upper for him in 6.5 Grendel. Maybe dropping in a good trigger, too. You could use a Proof or Christensen CF barrel to cut down on weight, but retain the accuracy. Give the good folks up at Rainier Arms a call. They can hook you up with everything you'll need. That's who I buy all my AR parts from.

    https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/index

    Whichever rifle direction you go, contact Dillon over at SWFA, and he can hook you up with some good quality glass and rings and bases. They're out of Texas.

    https://swfa.com
     
  12. TX Badger

    TX Badger Well-Known Member

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    He does not have an AR and I am not sure what Glass he already owns. I will check out swfa. Thanks for the tip.
     
  13. MudRunner2005

    MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member

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    My bad dude, slightly hungover today. For some reason I was thinking I had read that he had an AR. Looking back, I see, it was my suggestion for building him an AR in 6.5G. It would be a good option though... Even pushing 123-130 grain bullets the recoil is so small anyone can shoot it. And it's good for up to 500 yard hunting with those heavier bullets.

    If you're wanting to go bolt-action, Howa has those new mini-action 1500's chambered in 6.5 Grendel. You can get a 20" heavy barrel and I think a 22" sporter-weight barrel.
     
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  14. Smokinghole

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    I have a bunch of 100gr stuff I could try in my creedmoor. 123s are pretty light recoiling too, so a slightly downloaded 100gr and bulky powder should work fine.