Long Range Rifle in a 6 PPC

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by Dave King, Mar 27, 2004.

  1. Dave King

    Dave King Well-Known Member

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    The inherent accuracy thread just got me started on thinking about my next rifle, (still waiting on two right now).

    How about a 6PPC as a long(er) range cartridge?? I could shoot little tiny groups (in theory) and shoot long range (my distance type long range).

    Can a get a magazine fed 6PPC that will shoot right up there with the best of them??
     
  2. Guest

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    If your smith is talented enough you can get anything built.. and there is a "new" LR record set with the 6mm bullet.. I'm not sure you can achieve the velocity needed..with the PPC case. maybe a 40" barrel [​IMG]
    Light recoil, low pressure case designs make easier rifles to build.. but do you have the velocity to keep the bullet stabilized?
    Pick a cartridge that is easy to build for.. 6.5/284.. 243AI, 6mmAI, 22/243
    hmmmmmm
     
  3. Jake in NC

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    .. There's a few fellas shootin' the 6BR with the 105's and 107's with good results.. I got about 2850 from a 107 in a Panda based rifle in BR with a 27" barrel.. From what I understand, the 6mm VLD's prefer a velocity range of 2800-3000 from the 8 tw barrels..

    ..Sound familiar.?? d:^) JiNC
     
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    Dave

    to shoot lr in the 6mm, most are using the 6BR and either a 1-12 twist with Fowler or Watson 80 gr flat base bullets. This is a top 500-600 Egg shoot winning combo. However if you want to limit to 600 yds the PPC with right bullet and twist will do it, but the BR has shown to be better past 300 yards in most peoples opinion.

    Skip the 10 twist, does not work extremely well with anything according to most tests and reports.

    The 8 twist will shoot the 95-107s very well.

    I have a BR improved and it can shoot the 107s at 2950-2975 out of 28" barrel and very accurate. Have some new Clinch River 100s that I will be testing and shooting this year that I think are better than his 106.

    The Dasher or BRX versions are the shorter and easier versions to make. The longest case is the BRS (Shehane) version and gives the highest velocity.

    Guy in Montana set the new PA record for light gun this year with standard BR (10 shots in little over 4 inches).

    BH

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  5. Dave King

    Dave King Well-Known Member

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    BH

    Great info... I gotta pick your brain a bit if you don't mind (tomorrow).
     
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    going to be out tomorrow and leaving Monday for the week. go to Long Range target shooting and read the threads on the Dasher and BRX. Bob Crone on there, is top f class and 1k shooter who came up with the BRX.

    BRX uses standard BR dies and is easy to reload for. Both the Dasher, BRX and BRS require custom reamers and dies except for BRX use the standard BR dies.

    If you are just looking at 600 then the BR, Dasher or BRX with 12 twist would be the top choice. That is a tough combination to beat in the egg and 600 yard shoots with the 80 gr flatbase bullets.

    I built a combo 600 and 1000 gun and chose the 8 twist. After testing lots of bullets for uniformity etc, really like the Clinch River and JLK best. Greg Siemund at CR has a special 100 gr 6mm that has been tested by some ballisticians and they say it is better than the 106 he makes which is a great bullet. Supposedly same jacket with less core and gives less yaw and more stability. I have 500 of them to shoot this summer but have not worked loads up yet, but they were the most uniform lot of bullets I have ever checked.

    My BRH is basically the same as Bill Shehanes BRS and only minor differences in reamer. Both leave only short necks on the case and push the BR case as far as it can go. Dave Kiff makes the reamers for both. You can email Bill at his site on BR central and ask about the BRS and his recommendations on what you want. He has built more guns on the BR improved than most and tested and shot heck out of them. He really knows what works and not.

    Varget is powder of choice with heavier bullets. I cut my ES in half by going to CCI primers also. If building on Rem action, recommend bush firing pin hole and .068 firing pin. BR case pushed leads to primer flow in many guns if firing pin hole is sloppy.

    Good luck, be back in week.

    BH

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  7. TOM H

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    Since you will be looking at thing go to Tubbs web page and look at the 6X also Precision Shooting had some pretty good articles on the 6/22-250 with LVD bullets. I'm having a 6/22-250 done up now with a 1/14 twist barrel just to see what kind of velocity it will get just didn't want to get into alot of fire forming. I've got a factory 40x with a 1/12 twist barrel and it's a pretty good 500yd pd rifle with 80 gr bullets. Well good luck!
     
  8. EXPRESS

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    Dave I shoot a 6PPC, use it most days of the year for hunting and or range work.

    To be honest it does have limitations, I would not be happy to shoot a pig in the chest at ranges over 300m, but that's also because where I live I can't allow anything to run 50m before it drops.
    The bush is too thick and unfriendly, you just won't find them.

    I shoot pigs in the head, fallow and roe in the chest(head if I need to show off ;-) )
    Out to 350/400yrd with no doubting what will happen, after that I need to be very careful.

    Brass lasts a lifetime, you don't lose sight picture on firing easy and unfussy to load for, I love it!

    One consideration you might want to make it that if you want to form brass from Labpua .220Russian, you will have to turn the necks unless you get the chamber reamed accordingly. Otherwise Sako brass has the consistency to give you from .19MOA - .5MOA on a bad day.

    I am yet to try the Lapua brass I have 'cos it needs turning...

    70gn Ballistic tip, 28gn VV N133, CCI BR4 - works great with NP-1RR reticle as they fall onto the first dot @300m, top of the next post down @350m etc etc...
     
  9. jb1000br

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    A PPC with VLD,s is like shooting 240SMK's out of a 308--just not enuf boiler room -- roper is it too late to go with a 6br instead of the 6-250? the 22-250 brass doesnt last long when pushed to 2900-3000fps with VLD's--the lapua BR brass DOES!

    the BR is about the best thing out there for a compromise with a 6mm bullet (243 or 6mm ackley for speed freaks [​IMG] )

    "alinwa" and "lynn" on BR.com have lots of experience with the BR and alinwa in particular has used most versions of small and medium 6mm's and the BR or Dasher is his choice - somehow that thing gets 243 velocities with 10gns less powder.

    Dave--PPC is the wrong direction--it has been optimized for the light FB bullets everyone uses (or vice versa)--that is what it does well, very well--thats about it. For a 6mm VLD that shoots bugholes, the 6BR or Dasher are hard to beat.

    JB

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  10. Dave King

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    Guys

    Thanks for the feedback, I'm off the PPC version and onto the BR, BRX, NRS, Dasher variants.

    Who can build a "tactical style" BR accurate 6mm BR for me?? Tight neck, all the hoopla and neato stuff, dies etc. Single feed is fine, magazine is good but I'd prefer a Rem 700 action cleaned up real well (not sleaved). Gotta be beefy and finished (no bare stainless barrel) on the outside as I'm hard on stuff but tight and accurate (BR group capable).
     
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    A5 right? [​IMG]

    JB
     
  12. Dave King

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    Called and talked to Chris and after that and a few pointers I'm considering a Nesika Bay round action (lots of work to "fix" a Rem 700).

    Single shot, 6BR or variant (something with more capacity than the 6PPC). Tactical look, shoot from prone. Internally tight tolerance (BR chamber etc.)

    What length barrel become a significant consideration, 26" minimum no doubt, heavy contour .900 muzzle.

    Which stock from McMillan, HTG (with sniper fill)??? Something very sturdy/rigid.

    What twist, number of riflings (3) ??.

    What you all think, I need help (you all know that by now too [​IMG].
     
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    Brown Dog; a roe shot in the chest at 300m recieves about 750ft/lb of energy, the bullet normally exits or the copper base comes to rest under the skin on the off side.

    It's either a drop dead or a short stumble and fall.

    Bare in mind that a roe buck wieghs about 65lb and is very light in structure.

    On a fallow at that range I prefer place the bullet just behind the shoulder rather than attempt to break it, but only a few weks ago a friend shot one with my rifle at exactly 300m in the middle of the shoulder.
    A big fallow will weigh in excess of 100kg(220lb), this one was about 90lb and they are are little bit more sturdy in constitution than a roe.

    This (fallow)deer managed a very short stumble and push on his face before coming
    to rest.

    It doesn't kill with much authority, but it does make up for that in accuracy and ease of shooting.
    This friend is not an LR hunter, he tried the 300m(330yrd) shot out of curiosity and agreed with me that it only seems "too easy"
     
  14. Brown Dog

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    V Interesting thread. I've been mulling over a similar hankering for a 6BR (check out the RPA Quadlite repeater action)

    Express,
    Totally subjective question I know, but what's the 'knock-down' like with a 6PPC on a 300m roe chest shot?

    Dave,
    May I ask what sort of barrel length you're considering?