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  1. ENCORE

    ENCORE Well-Known Member

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    Lots of commitments and still haven't made it to the club to shoot longer ranges. Family here this week and the BIL wanted to shoot DUNAMIS. His first two bullets made a single hole. His next 3 opened up but remained within an inch. He fell in love with the Jewell trigger LOL

    I did pull out the chronograph once he'd finished to check the velocity of the two different bullets, both 275grs. Identical weighed charges from the same lot number of BH209.

    Fury Star Tip2...………. averaged 2350fps

    Pittman Acumax………. averaged 2500fps
     
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    Played at 2-3-4 and 500yds the other day. First 3 in an enlarged hole at 200.
    When I started to shoot to 500yds, I had just fired one round and the trucks with shooters started coming in. A guy with his son put equipment on the bench beside me, so I decided I'd call it a day. I told the guy I wanted to send one more and he tried to get me to continue to shoot, however, I don't think he realized the blast my brake would send his way. I told him I'd send one more and retrieve my targets while everyone else posted theirs.

    Two rounds at 500yds
    Fury star tip2, 275gr land riders
    BH209 propellant
    19.75moa

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  3. McRem45

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    Might only be two shots but two excellent shots. Are you using a wool or veggie wad?
     
  4. ENCORE

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    Veggie.
    I sized up 50 of the 300gr yesterday right at 19#. If I get chores done today, I'll send a couple over the chronograph to get velocities to run through JBM.
    I believe the 300gr bullets will be better for long range.
     
  5. goblism

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    These smokeless MZ are absolute shooters! Recently had Luke at ASG build me a 40 cal on a Bartlein barrel, ASG stock, and triggertech special. It is surprisingly mild on the recoil considering a 200 gr SST at 3100 fps (May also help that I have that same muzzlebrake!) Some smokeless shooters are getting the 310gr 40 cal bullets around 2900 fps!

    I had several conversations with Jeff Fisk and I was extremely torn between having Luke build the gun and Jeff. Went with Luke simply because of timeline.
     
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    I think that between Jeff, Luke and Levi, they build some really top notch rifles. I've known and shot with Jeff, and I'd been discussing it with him for a year or more. I'm very pleased with the rifle. A guy just can't go wrong with any of the three I mentioned.

    I know a lot of guys are going to the triggertech triggers, but what concerns me is that there's no over travel. I've spent quite a little time reading up on triggers and especially over travel. It certainly appears that most of the ELR shooters are opting for more over travel. A couple of the long range shooting/hunting schools are also changing their train of thought on over travel, now telling shooters to take all you can get. I had my Jewel set with no over travel and I changed it back for the next session to full travel. I guess if a guy reads enough, he can confuse himself LOL

    That T-Rex brake is just outstanding IMO. I know of a few guys that had them installed on their RUM's and a couple on UF's, and just love them. Really tames the recoil of heavy charges and heavy bullets. AND...…… you can see what you're shooting at.
     
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    I love my Jewel triggers but have been very happy with my trigger techs as well. I have a primary and a special. I like the special better only because of being able to set the pull weight lower. Would like to try a diamond at some point.
     
  8. ENCORE

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    Have you ever changed trigger springs in your Jewell?
    I've yet to find the want to change my spring. From the bench 15oz is low enough and I adjust it back to 1.5# for hunting.
     
  9. McRem45

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    I have not, like you I don't see the need.
     
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    It's gotta be alot more enjoyable shooting a 200 grain bullet at 3100 fps, than a 335 grain bullet...
    Mommy... my shoulder hurts...
     
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    Just a little warning...… If a sized bullet slides in as all others have, then suddenly stops 14.25" down the bore, DON'T try to push it any further or put more pressure on it!
     
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    Saw your post on modern. Hope Jeff's remedy works. Did you try pushing it out from the breech?
     
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    Oh yeah. It isn't moving. I had a 7/16" rod in there with a 2# hammer. All that did was wedge it tighter in the groves. Jeff is certain that the grease will push it right out without any issue. Its like Jeff says, they tighten the tracks on bulldozers and excavators with just a common grease gun. Worse case, I'd have to send the barrel to him so he could drill it then push it out.
    I just put the check in the mailbox for 60 new hardened modules ;)
     
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    UPDATE: The modified breech plug arrived a day earlier than the tracking # had indicated.

    I don't mind sharing my bad with any good......

    I installed the breech plug and started putting the grease to it. It got to the point and so hard to use that grease gun, I thought something was likely to expel from my body. I picked up a piece of metal tube I had and used that for a little more leverage. After 5 or 6 pumps the hose on the grease gun cracked. It was rated for 4K #. I ran and picked up a new hose rated for 10K.
    As I said, I thought I'd end up expelling something, but after a few new pumps, I checked with a dowel I had marked and found that it had moved out 1/8". I worked my ask off but finally it cleared the end of the barrel.

    I don't mind sharing my bad with any good. So here's what ...…. I had done. I had actually double loaded bullets. I've never done that before but there's always a first. Just like "dry balling" with a traditional. Why both bullets were stuck at 14.25" from the muzzle is anyone's guess though.

    I don't know it for fact, but I'm inclined to believe that I pushed the wad down, then the first bullet down with the short starter, then laid the starter down. For what ever reason, I likely picked up the second bullet and dropped it in the funnel, then just grabbed the ramrod to push it all the way down. When and if that happened, it may have pushed the first bullet to one side or the other, causing it to catch and stop. From that point and me using both hands and the "T" handle pushing harder, it/they just wedged themselves in the grooves.

    I need to find a better procedure for loading with the funnel through the brake. What I had been doing was to use the "T" handle and jag to push the wad into the barrel, then drop the bullet down and seat them both at one time with the rod. I believe the better way would be to just eliminate the "T" handle all together. Its not need to seat the bullets, nor to load them at 19#.

    Obviously I'm only guessing, but if I were to bet on what might have happened, I think the short starter usage caused my issue.

    So, DUNAMIS is all cleaned up and put back together, scope back on and its ready to re-zero it.

    WITNESS MARKS...… USE THEM!

    Modified breech plug Jeff sent me...….
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    The issue.....……

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