Long range hunting rifle choice

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by Clndesl, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. Clndesl

    Clndesl Well-Known Member

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    Ok hopefully you guys can help me make a decision on my long range hunting rifle. Here are my two choices let me know which one would be better for 1000 yard shots at big game. Choice 1- I currently own a Winchester model 70 in 300 wsm and it is just the standard one with cheap synthetic stock. I would have to send it to someone ( any suggestions who) for a barrel, muzzle break, stock, float barrel, pillar, block and trigger work. Or. Choice 2- I can get a Remington 700 PSS in 300 wm for like 700 bucks and it comes ready to go. Which one would be a better choice and if I should send out my model 70 who does good work. Thanks in advance. Oh and I will be putting a night force scope
     
  2. threejones

    threejones Well-Known Member

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    To shoot at anything other than paper I'd put a little work into the remy as well. Plus, depending on what kind of game your looking to hunt, I'd move up to a 338 for a 1000 yds. If your not planning on hunting anything bigger than deer, both rifles will work, the build price for the the Win sounds like it may be more than the remy even with a tweek or two (ie-you'll want an aftermarket trigger to start with etc etc) I kinda like the remys, but that's just what I'm familiar with.
     
  3. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Gosh this is all very subjective. Lets start with the scope, what do you have? Depending on what you awnser is (good/bad). I'm going to give you diffrent advice based off of that.
     
  4. cfvickers

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    Do you reload? What game will you be hunting with this rifle? My first instinct says get the NF scope, a good trigger, and work up a good load to see what your rifle will do as it is. then go from there.
     
  5. Clndesl

    Clndesl Well-Known Member

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    I haven't decided either the vortex viper hs or 4x16 or night force 5.5x22
     
  6. ICANHITHIMMAN

    ICANHITHIMMAN Well-Known Member

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    Ok so no scope yet, thats were we need to start. Having good optics is way way more important than starting off with a custom rig. Here is what I think you should do. You have a great rifle in a winning long range hunting caliber.

    Keep your rifle, buy a good scope, the NF is the best choice, get a used one if you want to save some money. Buy a new stock for your rifle anything with an alluminum bedding block is a safe bet. Next shoot your rifle and see what you have. If you think it needs further improvement contact Kevin Cram at montoure county rifles, and send him your rifle to have him do his accurcy package on. Then when you have shot out your barrel you can replace it. Kevin is also a member here and and a great resource for bouncing your ideas off of, call him, talk with him.

    The key to getting into this sport is applying money to the right things at the right time. It will teach you so much more than buying your way in with a pre built rig. Also you will need a rangefinder, wind meter and a PDA to run balistics software.

    Jon
     
  7. Clndesl

    Clndesl Well-Known Member

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    Well it has a vx II 4x12x40 on my 300wsm now but I am going to upgrade that. And as far as barrel size what would work the best for my needs. Oh and I hunt deer antelope and elk.
     
  8. Bart B

    Bart B Well-Known Member

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    Keep the Winchester. It's receiver is near 3 times as stiff as the Remington (go measure them and you'll understand), more reliable to operate in rapid fire, and resists torquing out of perfect fit in epoxy bedding like any round receiver does. (Why are there flat sides on a nut?) Plus a more rugged and reliable extractor and the best safety on a box magazine bolt action rifle ever; it locks the firing pin, not the trigger.

    Nothing will shoot bullets any more accurate than a Win. 70 action. And it doesn't have to be pillar bedded; conventional bedded ones have shot groups equalling or besting current long range benchrest records.

    Too bad Winchester factory barrels were not all that accurate else their Model 70's would have outsold the Remingtons.
     
  9. Clndesl

    Clndesl Well-Known Member

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    Well i think I'm going to keep the Winchester. Another question is why doesn't it have a magazine I have to feed it through the top. Is this ok.
     
  10. liltank

    liltank Well-Known Member

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    There's nothing wrong with it. If you go the custom stock route, then you will be able to buy aftermarket bottom metal that will allow you to use a magazine if you desire. I kind of like the drop plate, but am partial to magazine fed rifles too.

    Tank
     
  11. Bart B

    Bart B Well-Known Member

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    People have been feeding Mauser style actions from the top since the late 1800's. In competition using metallic sights, a 5 round stripper clip was used in a clip guide to fully charge the magazine in about 1/4th second. Same with the Mauser and Springfield versions in combat. And the Aftican White Hunters loaded their 40+ caliber magnum Mausers from the top, too, in a hurry when dangerous stuff was close at hand..

    The problems with a separate magazine opposed to the (ingregal) box magazines the Mausers and Springfields plus all the commercial variants is, for best accuracy with detachable magazines is you'll need to get a zero for your sights with each one. When the M14 was finally rebuilt to hold 4 inches at 600 yards with good commercial .308 Win. match ammo, folks had to have a set of magazines that all needed the same zero settings. Intregal box magazines built into the rifles don't need that attention to detail.
     
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  12. Clndesl

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    Well I guess it's not an issue feeding through the top but I am having issues finding a good stock for this style. Anyone have any ideas where I can get one.
     
  13. alcesgigas

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    I have a Hogue with the full length aluminum bedding block under my 375H&H M70. I ordered it to replace a broken stocked pre-64 30-06 only to have the guy cancel the job. Of course it didn't fit my 375 and that was the only M70 I own that I would restock; in fact I contemplated changing calibers. So as I removed material to inlet for the larger barrel channel I got to like what I considered an ugly duckling--it's a sturdy "full" stock--that sentiment grew on me. I put an 11 ounce mercury suppressor in the butt and my own sling swivel anchors. The tacky rubberized surface stays "grippy" under all conditions I've experienced; the pistol grip is fully supportive; the pebbly "checkering," while initially repulsive, is most effective; and the recoil pad is good enough as I didn't feel the need to change it out. It's been great for ten years now. But, every persons tastes, physical demands, and perceptions of what should be, are different and usually change over time so all this may be meaningless to you except for one thing: The only way you'd find out what fits you best--and that you're happy with--is by personal physical examination and experience. All is not as it seems.

    I'm converting this rifle to 338 Edge and I plan on keeping this stock--I've gotten to like it that much. There's others: Richards Micro Fit, Bell&Carlson, and customs from wood to aluminum and in virtually any price range. They can be found via web search and on this site. And read this excellent informative exchange: Winchester M70 (Bart Bobbitt)
     
  14. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    I agree with prior posts that you should start by working on the Winchester barrel/action that you have. I have two late model Winchester Model 70's with sportier barrels that produce .5 MOA with hand loads. My 270wsm has a McMillan stock, a Nightforce scope, and I tuned the trigger to 3 pounds. It's a great long rang shooter.