There is a guy that has kindlers dies and jackets for the 30 golds and others. I ordered 200 today. Seemed like a very nice guy and he is trying to get the business up and running. He is also going to be making 20 cal and 6mm bullets in the future. His name is montana mize and his cell is 12547849533. Will report back after i get them in and compare to todds bullets. Hope this helps some of you guys that shot these bullets.