Kahles K418 and K624

puppezed

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Has anyone got any experiences on the fairly new Kahles K418 and K624 models?
It looks they feature a very Leupold TMR like reticle (Kahles MIL 1). 0.5 mil mark spread, reticle intersection is open. Unlike TMR, MIL 1 is mil accurate at 10x magnification. TT models feature tactical turrets with 1/8 MOA clicks.

I´ve been considering Leupold Mark4 6.5-20x or 8.5-25x with TMR reticle but here in Finland K 418 costs about the same as Mark 4 4.5-14x without illumination. I´d presume Kahles has better glass than Leupold.

Gunmart review:
http://gunmart.net/accessories_review/kahles_k_418/

MIL 1 reticle subtensions can be found here:
http://www.kahles.at/dateien/text/Kataloge/COMPETITION_2009_E.pdf
 

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Has anyone got any experiences on the fairly new Kahles K418 and K624 models?
It looks they feature a very Leupold TMR like reticle (Kahles MIL 1). 0.5 mil mark spread, reticle intersection is open. Unlike TMR, MIL 1 is mil accurate at 10x magnification. TT models feature tactical turrets with 1/8 MOA clicks.

I´ve been considering Leupold Mark4 6.5-20x or 8.5-25x with TMR reticle but here in Finland K 418 costs about the same as Mark 4 4.5-14x without illumination. I´d presume Kahles has better glass than Leupold.

Gunmart review:
Kahles K 418 review | Scopes and Optics Reviews | Gunmart

MIL 1 reticle subtensions can be found here:
http://www.kahles.at/dateien/text/Kataloge/COMPETITION_2009_E.pdf

Hello,
Here in Italy the Kahels K624 it's about 1.500 euro .... not very cheap ... but we are talking about a very very good scope .... with the same money (in my country) i can choose Swaro, S&B, Kahles .... but i don't see great difference.
All are top-optics for Hunting !
 

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The optical quality of the kahles models is significantly better than that of Leupold Mark4's.

I really can't ubderstand why Leupold scopes are so expensive in Europe. They're nice scopes but just not kahles, Zeiss, Swarovski, Schmidt & Bender class.

A friend has a K418 mounted on his Blazer Tactical which he uses for tactical type shooting competitions and also occassional der stalking. It's a very, very good scope with excelent optics and light transmission.
 

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with the same money (in my country) i can choose Swaro, S&B, Kahles .... but i don't see great difference.
I intend to use the reticle for taking holdover. The thing is that mid-European manufacturers haven´t previously offered good mil-based range compensation reticles besides Schmidt und Bender PM2 P4-reticle. IMO good range compensation reticle has hash marks instead of dots and space between hash marks less than 1 mil. Leupold has TMR, Nightforce has MLR, IOR has MP8. All great reticles, but the Ior, Nightforce and S&B all weigh a ton... and the latter two are probably built like tanks. :) Leupold and Kahles are much lighter.

In Europe Kahles K418 tends to be much cheaper than say Swarovski PV, Z5 or Z6 with correspoding magnification ranges. I read the review again and it seems that the only short comings of K418 are its lack of adjustments and illuminated reticle (and in my opinion MOA clicks :) ).
 

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MIL 1 reticle looks a bit weird in the Kahles pdf. If someone can find a real life photograph of the reticle, could you post it here please.
 

scotsgun

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You guys are aware that Kahles are actually Swaro - in fact many of the scopes come from the same production plant? What is certain is that the lenses (and many other components) are the same

Also, i hear that the K series (not sure which one) has been chosen to mate with Saudi Arabia's new Steyr sniper rifles - intended to replace their old Steyr SSG69 with Kahles Z series fixed power scopes (6x42 i think).

Their new rifles are the SSG-04 in 300wm

They are also adding to their arsenal of Steyr Mannlicher H.S Cal .50 BMG but unfortunately i don't know which scope they use for this.
 

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