Okay, for my first long range gun I was thinking of the 300 ultra mag. But for my first lng range rig do I really need all that? I figure it will take me awhile to work out to 1000 yards anyway! So if I plan on staying inside 1k wouldn't 300 win mag or wsm in bull barrel be a better way to start? Boyd aren't you shooting a 300 wsm at the 1k match? That would take a PA deer that far and closer right? Just like archery all about placement. All I need is to stick with bullets with high bc. and practice?? I'm not sure but the 300 win mag, and wsm should with the right bullet have enough energy to 1K for white tail. Thanks for input.