Is Remington quality too big of a risk now days?

[Elkwonder]

I was thinking about getting a Sendero in 7mm, and a couple CDL SF rifles in variose calibers and was wondering if the accuracy would be worth the risk.
I was wanting a CDL SF in 35 whelen, 7-mm-08, and 22-250. I would be reloading for all of them, but am not interested in a rifle that can't do an inch or less with reloads. I have not owned a Remington in probably twenty five years, but have read about their accuracy going down hill horribly. I have also talked to others that have stated that its WAY over blown. Yet others have even said that it depends on which models, and that the CDL SF and the Sendero will have no problem producing good groups with hand loads. At this point Im as confused as I can get......lol
What say you? Thanks

 

[Jkling12]

In my personal opinion and from my experience in the last 3 years, I would buy a savage over the Remington. If you are going to send it off and have work done, maybe the Remington. I've had a few and they are not what they used to be. My savages are tack drivers out of the box with 0 modifications. A lot of people talk bad about savage but they flat out shoot with out sending it to a smith.

 

[MudRunner2005]

I don't believe the OP asked anything about a Savage...So, how about we stick to the topic at-hand...

It is overblown...Not necessary WAY overblown...But it's still overblown in my opinion. People these days are so used to instant-gratification, they don't even realize that FACTORY rifles are not a guarantee. I had a $2,000 Weatherby that had a bad tube on it from the factory... Lost my ***** on that deal... So, just remember, it could always be a lot worse than risking the money on a new 700.

Now, if you want it simply for the collectability and intrinsic value of the rifles themselves because they are limited editions, then go for it, and don't worry too much about shootability, keep them in the safe, and only shoot them on occasion, if at all. And they are really nice rifles, and some folks collect just to have, and not to use. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm certainly not rich enough to have a collection like that... All of mine are hunters and shooters and have scratches and "battle scars" on them.

BUT if you are wanting those cartridges just to have those cartridges, and to shoot and hunt with them, then I suggest you go buy 3 used 700 actions and have Bartlein barrels put on them by a professional smith, and then enjoy the rifles. You'll probably spend about the same amount of money, and you'll definitely have accurate shooters.

 

[NoFences]

I was in the same delima as you are. I saw the 700 long range model and I was intrigued by it. I was well aware of the quality issues that have plagued Remington. I found a used one for decent price and I decided to take a gamble. Other than the lousy trigger, it shoots a ragged hole at 200 yards with handloads. There's problem weapons with all manufacturers. You just hope you aren't the one who gets it. I also own several Savages, Browning's and Rugers. I think your less apt to have a problem with the higher end models. NOW IF I COULD JUST FIND QUALITY BRASS......I would be a happy camper.

Good luck with whatever choice you make

 

[engineer40]

The ironic thing is that Remington's cheapest model has some of the best reputation for accuracy. And yes I'm talking about the Rem 783. And yes the rifle is a rebadged Marlin XL7. And yes, it's a copy of a Savage anyways.

They are not a nice rifle. But Remington makes them here in a US, and they are accurate. So as a company, they can still make accurate rifles.

 

[scottishkat]

I own the CDL SF it is a limited edition 260 rem. It is a very accurate firearm with handloads. I have been waiting for Remington to come out with it in 25-06 expecting maybe this year they did the Whelan instead. I would expect the 7mm08 or 22-50 to be capable of good accuracy as well.

The 35 Whelan however built on the same magnum contour with a .358 bore however seems like a pretty light weight rig. If I could handle one I might change my mind but I don't have much interest in 35 cal.

The trigger on mine is acceptable but that has not always been common. It had to go back during the recall. I have owned quite a few Remington's and all have been capable of sub MOA including a BDL in 7mm08. The inconsistent trigger is an easily remedied problem the short action can be an issue always limited to 2.810 COAL and the stock is a bit cheesy. As Mudd said you can always build off them.

Good luck and shoot straight

Bob

 

[Jkling12]

I don't believe the OP asked anything about a Savage...So, how about we stick to the topic at-hand...

It is overblown...Not necessary WAY overblown...But it's still overblown in my opinion. People these days are so used to instant-gratification, they don't even realize that FACTORY rifles are not a guarantee. I had a $2,000 Weatherby that had a bad tube on it from the factory... Lost my ***** on that deal... So, just remember, it could always be a lot worse than risking the money on a new 700.

Now, if you want it simply for the collectability and intrinsic value of the rifles themselves because they are limited editions, then go for it, and don't worry too much about shootability, keep them in the safe, and only shoot them on occasion, if at all. And they are really nice rifles, and some folks collect just to have, and not to use. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm certainly not rich enough to have a collection like that... All of mine are hunters and shooters and have scratches and "battle scars" on them.

BUT if you are wanting those cartridges just to have those cartridges, and to shoot and hunt with them, then I suggest you go buy 3 used 700 actions and have Bartlein barrels put on them by a professional smith, and then enjoy the rifles. You'll probably spend about the same amount of money, and you'll definitely have accurate shooters.

I'm just giving my experience with Remington here lately. They had my m700 for 8 months during the trigger recall. They had no answers for when it would be done when I would call them. I went ahead and bought a new rifle for a Kansas deer hunt I was going on. It was a weatherby/howa that was ok. If I was building a rifle a 700 action is great but otherwise they're are better quality rifles from companies with better customer service in my opinion.

 

[aj427ci]

Don't be afraid of Remingtons, but you'll probably want new triggers

 

[mtmuley]

You sent your rifle back for the trigger recall? Your bad. Shoulda known better. Specially if you hang out here. mtmuley

 

[MudRunner2005]

I'm just giving my experience with Remington here lately. They had my m700 for 8 months during the trigger recall. They had no answers for when it would be done when I would call them. I went ahead and bought a new rifle for a Kansas deer hunt I was going on. It was a weatherby/howa that was ok. If I was building a rifle a 700 action is great but otherwise they're are better quality rifles from companies with better customer service in my opinion.

Why would you send the rifle back to the manufacturer for them to send it back to you with another crappy trigger in it? Just replace it yourself with a Timney or Jewell and you will have your rifle fixed in 30 minutes, instead of 8 months.

Also, I never send any gun back to the mfg. for anything, if I can help it. Pistols, or revolvers, maybe if it's a serious problem, but other than that, I'll take a rifle, shotgun, or 1911 to my gunsmith.

 

[Jkling12]

I had a timney for it but wanted to send it back incase I ever went to use the factory trigger for something or forgot it was recalled and sold it. Ended up selling the rifle to a buddy to fund a build and wanted the timney back so i put the factory trigger back in.

 

[Deleted member 25294]

I have had excellent accuracy from both of the 700's that I have owned. One was an SPS in .300 win mag that I learned to shoot long range with, I could get 1/2 moa with handloads no problem.

I currently have a 700 XCR in 338 RUM and it is shooting 1/2 moa as well, I replaced the crappy trigger with a timney other than that it's a factory rifle.

Unless you're looking for a serious target rifle I really don't see the need for a custom job when a Remington will shoot so well right out of the box!

Don't believe what you hear about the savages being so much more accurate than a Remington. I've owned three and none of them shot sub moa, maybe I had bad luck but I will never buy another savage.

 

[WildRose]

I was thinking about getting a Sendero in 7mm, and a couple CDL SF rifles in variose calibers and was wondering if the accuracy would be worth the risk.
I was wanting a CDL SF in 35 whelen, 7-mm-08, and 22-250. I would be reloading for all of them, but am not interested in a rifle that can't do an inch or less with reloads. I have not owned a Remington in probably twenty five years, but have read about their accuracy going down hill horribly. I have also talked to others that have stated that its WAY over blown. Yet others have even said that it depends on which models, and that the CDL SF and the Sendero will have no problem producing good groups with hand loads. At this point Im as confused as I can get......lol
What say you? Thanks

I was feeling the same hesitation looking at the Remington 5R Milspec in .260. Last year I get a call late one night just before the season was to open from a young friend that had just gotten back from the range with a new one that had some serious issues.

If I hadn't had an extra Model 70 All Weather edition in 300wm laying around I was happy to loan him his season would have been ruined as the head space and extractor system both were a mess and the whole thing had to be sent back to Remington and he didn't get it back I don't think until late Jan/Feb.

On the flip side however the nast new Rem I bought was a .264wm in the 700 CDL SFII.

Allit needed was bedding and some lapping and trigger work, about six hours work all tolled and I have been quite pleased with it.

I almost feel like I'm stuck having to forgive a spouse who's cheated on me twice to get back into bed with Remington.

If the .260 5R doesn't work out very well it will probably be the last one I purchase. I was seriously looking at one in the 700CDL SFII since the one I have worked out so well but what's the fun in that!

 

[WildRose]

I have had excellent accuracy from both of the 700's that I have owned. One was an SPS in .300 win mag that I learned to shoot long range with, I could get 1/2 moa with handloads no problem.

I currently have a 700 XCR in 338 RUM and it is shooting 1/2 moa as well, I replaced the crappy trigger with a timney other than that it's a factory rifle.

Unless you're looking for a serious target rifle I really don't see the need for a custom job when a Remington will shoot so well right out of the box!

Don't believe what you hear about the savages being so much more accurate than a Remington. I've owned three and none of them shot sub moa, maybe I had bad luck but I will never buy another savage.

Emphasis mine. Unfortunately few of them do as a percentage.

Sadly Remington has about 2 or 3 issues consistently bringing their quality down and there's just no justification for it. The 700 action has been on the market now since what the late 60's? It's more than time the bugs were worked out.