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<blockquote data-quote="ShootnMathews" data-source="post: 2786951" data-attributes="member: 59915"><p>To save from typing my whole reply to Sigmas reply I'm going to copy and paste it. But first I want to say I never said the gun shot 1/4 moa or less all day on its worse day. I simply meant it as a rough description of how the load was averaging so when I referred to the load group it was known that it was shooting well in the federal brass. In reality about 75% of the groups I shot with that load were in the 1/4" and under range with the other 25% being between 1/4 and 1/2". Edited to add : when I said brass doesn't have as much effect on grouping I meant in relationship to the other factors. If you're wanting a bench rifle then yea you need to uniform all your brass. If you're making a 500 yards hunting load like I am brass really isn't going to make that much difference. I've never had to neck turn, weight sort, flash hole deburr and all that other stuff to get a 1/2 moa 500 yard load on any of my hunting rifles. </p><p></p><p>Copied:</p><p>I agree with almost everything you said. I don't think brass has as much influence on accuracy as seating depth and powder charge but the brass does affect grouping because of volume and pressures. And all I'm trying to do now is work back up into the node. I started this thread because the new box of Lapua I expected to shoot great by just taking it out of the box, sizing and trimming but instead it shot like dog crap. I mean like a 2" group. Which made me question a lot. What I found out yesterday though is I took some of the once fired brass and sized, trimmed, chamfered and all the crap I normally do in brass prep and the rifle shot MUCH better with the last charge shooting .58". I think with these next loads this evening I'll be back into the node and under 1/2". And I also certainly do not expect the rifle nor myself to shoot 1/4moa reliably. I set 1/2MOA is my goal and good enough for me. This rifle however did shoot fantastic in the Hornady brass and averaged under 1/2 MOA reliably with many groups being close to 1/4 moa or smaller. That said I've never had great brass life with Hornady so that's why I buy Lapua. I'm not a real picture taker so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. I usually only take pics when I'm asking questions or it's just an amazing group. Most groups I was getting with the federal averaged between .20 and .35" which is close enough for me to say 1/4moa load as a rough descriptive term. As far as 5 shot groups I'm having too hard of a time finding the components or paying the price when I do find them to shoot all 5 shot groups when working on a load these days. If it doesn't shoot well in 3 shots it's not going to shoot any Better with 2 more in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>All I want is 1/2 moa reliably and I'm happy with that from any rifle.</p><p></p><p>Here's what pics I have taken while working on this load. All 3 shot groups. Some measured and some not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ShootnMathews, post: 2786951, member: 59915"] To save from typing my whole reply to Sigmas reply I’m going to copy and paste it. But first I want to say I never said the gun shot 1/4 moa or less all day on its worse day. I simply meant it as a rough description of how the load was averaging so when I referred to the load group it was known that it was shooting well in the federal brass. In reality about 75% of the groups I shot with that load were in the 1/4” and under range with the other 25% being between 1/4 and 1/2”. Edited to add : when I said brass doesn’t have as much effect on grouping I meant in relationship to the other factors. If you’re wanting a bench rifle then yea you need to uniform all your brass. If you’re making a 500 yards hunting load like I am brass really isn’t going to make that much difference. I’ve never had to neck turn, weight sort, flash hole deburr and all that other stuff to get a 1/2 moa 500 yard load on any of my hunting rifles. Copied: I agree with almost everything you said. I don't think brass has as much influence on accuracy as seating depth and powder charge but the brass does affect grouping because of volume and pressures. And all I'm trying to do now is work back up into the node. I started this thread because the new box of Lapua I expected to shoot great by just taking it out of the box, sizing and trimming but instead it shot like dog crap. I mean like a 2" group. Which made me question a lot. What I found out yesterday though is I took some of the once fired brass and sized, trimmed, chamfered and all the crap I normally do in brass prep and the rifle shot MUCH better with the last charge shooting .58". I think with these next loads this evening I'll be back into the node and under 1/2". And I also certainly do not expect the rifle nor myself to shoot 1/4moa reliably. I set 1/2MOA is my goal and good enough for me. This rifle however did shoot fantastic in the Hornady brass and averaged under 1/2 MOA reliably with many groups being close to 1/4 moa or smaller. That said I've never had great brass life with Hornady so that's why I buy Lapua. I'm not a real picture taker so I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. I usually only take pics when I'm asking questions or it's just an amazing group. Most groups I was getting with the federal averaged between .20 and .35" which is close enough for me to say 1/4moa load as a rough descriptive term. As far as 5 shot groups I'm having too hard of a time finding the components or paying the price when I do find them to shoot all 5 shot groups when working on a load these days. If it doesn't shoot well in 3 shots it's not going to shoot any Better with 2 more in my opinion. All I want is 1/2 moa reliably and I'm happy with that from any rifle. Here's what pics I have taken while working on this load. All 3 shot groups. Some measured and some not. [/QUOTE]
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