Some ir are visible,the one i have on my Digex is invisible to man or beast.
Hunting Coyotes at night
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Buster Hemlock
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I'm talking about being able to see the IR laser from the rangefinder through a Nightvision scope splashing on the intended target and that thermal doesn't give you that ability
The 940 IR on the Digex operates in the invisible mode,the 850 emits a almost indiscernible red glow,i opted for invisible.I wouldn't want anything more than what I have,it's a game changing night vision optic.
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Buster Hemlock
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We are talking about different things. Your talking about an IR illuminator and whether there is a detectable light at the bulb and if it can be seen without night vision/the naked eye and I agree with what you are saying with different wavelength illuminators some give off a glow if they are in the near IR range and ones above this do not, I have a few different personal IR illuminators with different wavelength bulbs. However, I'm talking about night visions ability to see the laser from a rangefinder to ensure you are lasing what you think, thermal doesn't have this ability. Most common laser rangefinders have a laser in the 850-1050 nm range and some higher end/military rangefinders have up to 1550 nm wavelength lasers, all are visible with night vision, not a beam but the splash where it is hitting. I shoot a lot at extended ranges at night and having an accurate range to your target is necessary. I've seen many weapon mounted range finders knocked off their co-witness point and no longer ranging the spot you think. Being able to see the IR laser splash on your intended target before dialing or holding your elevation gives me one less thing to worry about before pulling the trigger
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epoletna
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Following this. Very interesting information. Thanks to all who have posted.
LRhunter514
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The most info. I have found on NV is Snipershide these guys have all the toys, great way to learn what works.
IdahoSpud2
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TNVC gen 3+ white phosphorus PVS14 paired with a BE Myers MAWL. These blow away the set up I had in the military by a long shot.
however if I was just going to strictly use it for coyote hunting in an area I was familiar with I would probably opt for a straight thermal scope. Pros and cons to each. I can walk around all night with him an ocular in an area I've never been before and still constantly shoot to 1 to 200 yards with the IR laser. However I'd be screwed beyond that range and even though it's incredibly clear for what it is, it's still not that great for identifying targets a couple hundred yards away.
I will say it is pretty awesome seeing coyote eyes light up like headlights when an IR laser hits them on night vision.
however if I was just going to strictly use it for coyote hunting in an area I was familiar with I would probably opt for a straight thermal scope. Pros and cons to each. I can walk around all night with him an ocular in an area I've never been before and still constantly shoot to 1 to 200 yards with the IR laser. However I'd be screwed beyond that range and even though it's incredibly clear for what it is, it's still not that great for identifying targets a couple hundred yards away.
I will say it is pretty awesome seeing coyote eyes light up like headlights when an IR laser hits them on night vision.
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Snipershide is very good on Night Vision and Thermal options and setups though, they are generally focused on hog hunting with AR Platforms. The Night Vision subforum on AR15.com can be hit or miss depending on the topic and people responding but, there are a lot of folks there with ex-mil or law enforcement experience (not some pimple-faced mouth breather in their mommies basement) who can speak from experience about what works and what doesn't 'in the field' versus a factory demo in a groomed area.
SHDeersniper
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I vote thermal.
But if on a budget I have a gen 3 pvs4 with illuminator I would sell for $1500
But if on a budget I have a gen 3 pvs4 with illuminator I would sell for $1500
06X6spdGTO
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Been night hunting song dogs coming up on 4 years now.
I started with a cheaper ATN X-Sight and a pulsar XQ30 handheld. I found that switching from Thermal handheld to NV when the dogs are running in hard become difficult to find the Target. Especially in any pasture ground with taller grass.
My next thermal buy was a pulsar Apex XD38a. It was a complete game changer!
I now run 2 FLIR PTS536 units as in western Nebraska the base magnification of 4x is important for longer shots.
It's a buy once cry once game for sure.
For starting off these would be my main features to focus on.
1. Place your Night optic on a weapon that has the least amount of bullet drop you can get out to 350yds. Judging distance in Thermal or NV is difficult, a 6.8spc or 7-08 wouldn't be my choice
2. which ever route you go with optic brand, pick a brand that allows for external battery packs. Nothing is worse than cold weather draining the battery and trying to change out CR123A
3 Rifle weight. Lighter is better @ least with my experience. swapping from scanner to rifle the quicker movements with a lightweight rifle can be important.
4. Base magnification vs FOV. Depending on the conditions you're hunting in base mag will be very important. For me I have like 50 trees in the entire county so 4 or 6x base mag is great! However when I visit friend in Arkansas my FOV is too narrow for quick follow up shots on doubles or triples.
other brand to consider for thermal
AGM Global TS50 micro
Hogster 35mm or New Super Hogster
if you can afford it Halo LR
I started with a cheaper ATN X-Sight and a pulsar XQ30 handheld. I found that switching from Thermal handheld to NV when the dogs are running in hard become difficult to find the Target. Especially in any pasture ground with taller grass.
My next thermal buy was a pulsar Apex XD38a. It was a complete game changer!
I now run 2 FLIR PTS536 units as in western Nebraska the base magnification of 4x is important for longer shots.
It's a buy once cry once game for sure.
For starting off these would be my main features to focus on.
1. Place your Night optic on a weapon that has the least amount of bullet drop you can get out to 350yds. Judging distance in Thermal or NV is difficult, a 6.8spc or 7-08 wouldn't be my choice
2. which ever route you go with optic brand, pick a brand that allows for external battery packs. Nothing is worse than cold weather draining the battery and trying to change out CR123A
3 Rifle weight. Lighter is better @ least with my experience. swapping from scanner to rifle the quicker movements with a lightweight rifle can be important.
4. Base magnification vs FOV. Depending on the conditions you're hunting in base mag will be very important. For me I have like 50 trees in the entire county so 4 or 6x base mag is great! However when I visit friend in Arkansas my FOV is too narrow for quick follow up shots on doubles or triples.
other brand to consider for thermal
AGM Global TS50 micro
Hogster 35mm or New Super Hogster
if you can afford it Halo LR
Is it really $12,000 for the or was I looking at the wrong item
Doug Herold
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Hah!...That's pretty close to what has happened with me. Have gone Thermal to scan, thermal to kill. Just couldn't get on them quick enuf with the IR...
My friend has a really old (technology), I think ~3 years, FLIR thermal. I think it is called a 32 something with a 25mm lens and I think it predates the PTS series thermals one generation. Anyway, native FOV is a bit narrow and magnification is too low. The image is really pixelated too even without zoom but, FOV is pretty wide.
What I find is at ~150 yards, it is very hard to tell a fawn from a newborn calf. Fawns that are bedded down in grass look a lot like large piglets. Trying to ID a target by movement is VERY UNRELIABLE! Light pollution where I live is really bad so, I'm hesitant to try tradition night vision. Plus, I have tried some PVS-7B's with that thermal and, to be honest was not terribly impressed but, wearing glasses I'm probably not the best judge of night vision goggles either.
I have a treeline at ~200 yards on much of my property and my friend about a mile away has up to 400 yards. I'm thinking 4x magnification would be a better match for me so I have a better target id without needing to artificially 'zoom' the image. I also wear glasses so tight eye relief is not compatible with my physical constraints.
Is the Super Hogster too narrow a FOV for cow chasing dogs or feral hogs at 200 yards? How about 400 yards?
How about a Pulsar competitive unit? How do they compare in terms of price for magnification and FOV?
I want to "cry once, pay once" without regrets like my friend with his older FLIR unit. However, $5K and up is not realistic.
For a light to reasonable weight rifle, what is recommended? My LWRC Six8 is a bit piggish but, whacks feral hogs well. 5.56/.223 is too light. I have had as many as 17 feral hogs in my FOV at one time on my property so, a semi-auto is a requiement but, recoil needs to be reasonable so I get back on target quickly and hopefully I don't loose them in my FOV during recoil. I do shoot suppressed so, recoil and muzzle blast are already reduced a good deal. I also want to avoid calibers that are over $1 per round for normal hog plinking.
TIA,
Sid
