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Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by The Oregonian, Jul 10, 2019.
Sounds like a great spot. Would be good to have someone there with a backup weapon.
Looks like a lion/bear buffet! So I guess it is a good spot.
I carry my S&W 460 mag in a custom chest holster from Livingston Montana. It's a heavy pistol but will knock down anything in Montana, great for 4 wheeler on private property. 50 yard Elk killer in the trees with a hard, powder coated 300 gr.
Challenge accepted. Name the place I will put 2x rounds of .44 anywhere before you can put 10x rounds of 10mm there. You are not that fast...I’m not a speed demon either.
ETA for ease in the challenge let’s put a circle on paper (you decide the size), place it at a distance (you decide), use a shot timer or shot timer app, start from low ready, take a picture of the target, shot splits and gun. I’ll post up mine as soon as you make the call.
Looks like muzzle energy is about 1.8 rounds of 10mm to one of .44 so if you get 5 off in the time I get two off we’d be “even” on energy on target. So there’s a free handicap do you if you want to walk back from 10 rounds.
How many seconds do you have is a good question...how many foot pounds of energy are you going to put on target in those seconds with a 9mm, 10mm, .41, .44, .460...
Probably only one or two shots max with any platform, that’s why more is better IMHO.
I know the 45 LC will be faster than the pepper spray. One round in the CNS is required, otherwise the bear will be on you though he may bleed to death later.
You took to long and I had to go some repaired steel at the berm.
Took my 3-gun go to (Sig 320-X5) and the S&W 629 performance center. 4.5” circle at 21 ft from the low ready. I surprised myself that first round splits were identical at 1.4-1.7...like I said I’m not fast. Only counted “all hits” times and out of eight strings with the .44 I discarded one, with the X5 out of 8 strings I discarded three...because I’m not that good and ten shots is a lot in a string.
For the .44 I was 2.3-2.6 for two rounds and my fastest four was 3.6...shooting more than two got pretty unpleasant so I only did it three times.
For the X5 my fastest times for 10 was 4.75. This is a 9mm built to go fast and my third rounds barely beat the .44’s second round.
So my humble opinion is you’ll never match the power in 2.3-2.6 seconds of .44 with a 10mm. Best case you’ll put about 1 1/4 of the horse power on target and that trusts that a semi auto that’s been out in the elements is going to function 100%.
Ohh, and if you let me shoot four times in 3.6 you’d need to hit your 10 rounds of 10mm in the same 4.5” circle I did...if you can do that in 3.6 I’m impressed because it was hard for me to keep 9mm in there even a second slower than that.
I'LL back you up with my 45 LC but only if I have to put down my camera to help: does not sound like the bear will get to us so I will get good snaps of a bear dropping dead 10' from us. Would be exciting for sure.
I have a story about people with cameras behind me and bears
That was the last time I ever left my gun in the boat “because it was too heavy”. I would have gladly shot them and fed them to the bear
Yes but I will have the camera, my rifle and the 44 LC. I am good with all of those. I am an old combat pilot so I learned to respond to fear with action.
So your “fight or flight” reflex is really “fight in flight.” I like it!
I don't carry a sidearm unless it's a Brown Bear / Grizzly area.