It is for this reason I try and avoid the high shoulder shot if possible. There have been times when it was needed such as when a ram is just below the cliffy stuff where when lunged they have enough oomph to get up on a ledge out of safe reach. Then its a shoulder or high shoulder dump 'n' roll. Unfourtunatly they have to be finished off but it beats loosing them all together. Thanks for the honesty. This is what I like about this site (mostly). You get to see the stuff here that they dont show you on TV.