Help Me With a Bizarre LR Rifle Idea

Discussion in 'The Basics, Starting Out' started by chris matthews, Aug 6, 2003.

  1. chris matthews

    chris matthews Well-Known Member

    May 14, 2001
    Give me a call at at GA Precision 816-221-1844. We have a new model that might fit the bill for you.
  2. Mikul

    Mikul New Member

    Aug 6, 2003
    I'm toying around with an idea for a long range (~600m) go anywhere, do anything rifle.

    Caliber: .308 because it will do it and I already have a rifle in that caliber.

    Accuracy: I would like to pull off 1-inch at 400 yards, but 2-inches would be acceptable. This will be with handloads, but if there is something that will do it with factory ammo, all the better.

    So far this isn't weird at all. What I would like is as small and light of a rifle as possible. Would it be possible to pull this off with a 16" barrel? I'm thinking of a fluted semi-heavy barrel.

    How about keeping the weight to 7# with a scope? I'm flexible here, but it can't go over 10#.

    I am thinking of a synthetic non-adjustable stock (unless someone can give me a great reason for one). I'm a big guy with a long neck and I'll need a healthy LOP to have the gun fit me. I should be saving weight with a fixed stock.

    The action should be slick and easy to manipulate. I am not stuck to any particular action and would appreciate input to your preferences. I would like something that could handle the more powerful, heavy .308 loads.

    This can be a factory or custom job with a budget of $2,000 out the door... not including the scope.

    I almost forgot: minimum 4 shot magazine: preferably removable.

    [ 08-06-2003: Message edited by: Mikul ]
  3. bgordon

    bgordon Well-Known Member

    Mar 15, 2002
    What you seem to be describing is a Remington LTR rifle that has been cleaned up just a bit.
    The LTR is similar to the Police PSS rifles and the Synthetic stocked Varmint specials.

    They put fluting on a varmint weight barrel which was trimmed to 20" lg. The early LTR's had detachable magazines, but the later ones have BDL style floorplates.

    The LTR weighs around 7 pounds without a scope, and will probably go over 8 pounds field ready.

    My LTR in particular meets your accuracy criteria with a bit of room to spare. While testing loads I shot four 3 shot groups at 500 yards one quiet evening just before dark. When I went down to check, all the shots except the last shot (which I pulled badly) were in sub-half moa groups. The smallest group went 1 7/8" (remember that they were shot at 500 yards) while the rest were under 2 1/2" but bigger than the smallest group.
    Another time a friend and myself were testing loads at 200 yards. We shot about 50 rounds between the two of us. The biggest 3 shot group at 200 yards still went under 1" (1/2 moa) and several of the groups were 3 shots touching.

    If you think an LTR might do the trick for you, you can check around and buy one for $700 to $800 new. The local outlet has them for $725 + tax and has several in stock. Send it off to one of the outfits that does good cleanup work such as skim coating the v-block bedded stock, adjusting the trigger, truing up the action, and cleaning up the crown. Do that and the rifle should be set. At that point you should be into it for about $1100.
    An alternate possibility is to buy a varmint special (unfluted model) and have the barrel cut down to your desired length. The 20" barrel will give up about 100 fps over the 26" barrel, but I don't have any idea how much would be lost by going shorter.

    Get a good bi-pod, scope, rings, & base to finish off the package. I have one of the Springfield Armory 1st gen scopes on mine and have dialed in my handloads to be dead on with the crosshairs out to 600 yards. It makes an outstanding hunting rig. The other way I have seen LTR's set up is with Leupold M3 tactical scopes cause they also compliment LTR's really well and are a bit lighter than my Springfield Armory setup.

    [ 08-12-2003: Message edited by: Bruce Gordon ]
  4. BountyHunter

    BountyHunter Well-Known Member

    Jun 13, 2007
    How about 4.5 lbs w/o scope. Try the New Ultra Light Arms Model 20. 20" custom barrel and short action caliber with 1 lb kevlar stock. Model 22 is standard length and model 24 is magnum and Model 26 is WSM calibers.

    I have had two in 7mm-08 that would do exactly that and great guns. Price is about $2400

  5. *WyoWhisper*

    *WyoWhisper* Guest

    I'd call Chris as GA...

    Wait until you see what he's putting together for me....!!

    He patiently answered my numerous and annoying e-mails.. gave advice .. gave pros and cons for this and that and was honest weather it was a good or bad idea... I know numerous guys who shoot the rifles at GA and they are worth every penny...

    Chris will take care of ya...