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Help! 6.5x284 vs 28 Nosler
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<blockquote data-quote="toddc" data-source="post: 1267533" data-attributes="member: 4566"><p>Shot placement is pretty well impossible to predict to 100% certainty unless an animal is bedded and even then if animals are rutting you never know when one will stand up. With a .8 second TOF a deer or similar critter could move about 1/3 of a football field if it wished or had a reason to do so. Both shots I mentioned were on feeding deer that took a step right in the shot. Both shots impacted exactly in space where I was holding. The deers vitals just weren't there anymore.</p><p> This is the kind of stuff that CAN happen at LR. </p><p>Both deer were calm and feeding on a wheat field and didn't give any reason to think they would move. One step=15-18". With an Edge both would have dropped like rocks With a Creed......not so much. </p><p>Deer jump string on a bow with MUCH LESS TOF.</p><p> Just something to think about when you are figuring what cartridge to use. </p><p>Stuff like this + wind + shooter error is why I have always run big stuff.</p><p> I have gotten enamored with the smaller lighter stuff lately and I'm pretty sure this year showed me that even if you make the PERFECT shot......STUFF HAPPENS. </p><p>Personally I'm going back to my humungous nasty cannons and calling it a cheap reinforcement of one of the often forgotten lessons in the vagaries of long range hunting. </p><p>TOF and what can happen during it, is the one thing that we CANNOT CONTROL. If a bullet is in the air for very long we are playing with fire no matter the care we take to ensure the target is stationary. Until I can read a deers mind AND ensure a coyote or other critter won't move my target, I am going to shoot a really big bullet really fast.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="toddc, post: 1267533, member: 4566"] Shot placement is pretty well impossible to predict to 100% certainty unless an animal is bedded and even then if animals are rutting you never know when one will stand up. With a .8 second TOF a deer or similar critter could move about 1/3 of a football field if it wished or had a reason to do so. Both shots I mentioned were on feeding deer that took a step right in the shot. Both shots impacted exactly in space where I was holding. The deers vitals just weren't there anymore. This is the kind of stuff that CAN happen at LR. Both deer were calm and feeding on a wheat field and didn't give any reason to think they would move. One step=15-18". With an Edge both would have dropped like rocks With a Creed......not so much. Deer jump string on a bow with MUCH LESS TOF. Just something to think about when you are figuring what cartridge to use. Stuff like this + wind + shooter error is why I have always run big stuff. I have gotten enamored with the smaller lighter stuff lately and I'm pretty sure this year showed me that even if you make the PERFECT shot......STUFF HAPPENS. Personally I'm going back to my humungous nasty cannons and calling it a cheap reinforcement of one of the often forgotten lessons in the vagaries of long range hunting. TOF and what can happen during it, is the one thing that we CANNOT CONTROL. If a bullet is in the air for very long we are playing with fire no matter the care we take to ensure the target is stationary. Until I can read a deers mind AND ensure a coyote or other critter won't move my target, I am going to shoot a really big bullet really fast. [/QUOTE]
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