Hand Skills
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At 800yd, I would think impact velocity would be really close between those two...
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At 800yd, I would think impact velocity would be really close between those two...
They are not
Faster and Harder the Hammer was for sure.
Hand Skills
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I've said it a hundred times the above information is incorrect, Ballistic Apps will not work with Hammers
Hand Skills
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Interesting. How do you know that to be true?.
Show us some lab radar plots!
Show us some lab radar plots!
Why don't they? Is it because the drag factor is much different due to the PDR design? Just curious.
I don't use as Lab radar as it wont read anything above 4000fps, There is no Ballistic App the account for the Hammers drastically reduced PDR, Just a heads up Quick Load will not work for Hammers either, Back to you
Hand Skills
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I believe what you are saying, 'bean - traditional 'drag models' do not apply to hammers. We can agree on that, however;
Based on the many results that others have posted (and my own results with a handful of Hammers), it seems Hammers often have MORE DROP than ballistic calculators predict.
So, forgive me, but how does a bullet retain more velocity than predicted but also drop more than predicted?
It just doesn't make sense!
For the record, I also agree with you - hammers hit harder than conventional bullets, but I don't think it's to the credit of IMPACT VELOCITY
Based on the many results that others have posted (and my own results with a handful of Hammers), it seems Hammers often have MORE DROP than ballistic calculators predict.
So, forgive me, but how does a bullet retain more velocity than predicted but also drop more than predicted?
It just doesn't make sense!
For the record, I also agree with you - hammers hit harder than conventional bullets, but I don't think it's to the credit of IMPACT VELOCITY
I've not had that problem but I'm not saying it didn't happen to you, Hammers are totally unconventional and there is still a lot of stuff to figure out, the 181 driven hard will be in the mid too high 3400's per our testing, I know bullet construction plays a big part but here is a 500 yard target shot in the same session with a 178 ELDX out of a 308@ 2700ish and the 25-06AI with the 90G AH@ 3864, the black splashes are the 308, Put those numbers in an APP and the 90AH should have been out of gas and bounced off of the plate
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Quick Load just finished profiling the whole line of Hammers. It will be released in the next update.
Bc is bc. Hammers don't defy physics they lose vel like any other bullet. They may get a head start compared to a heavier higher BC bullet, but eventually the slow bullet will pass the fast bullet someplace down range. When you are running the hyper vel near 4000 fps, like @ButterBean , then it is so flat to 500 plus yards that you can shoot that far without having to think about drops.
Bc is bc. Hammers don't defy physics they lose vel like any other bullet. They may get a head start compared to a heavier higher BC bullet, but eventually the slow bullet will pass the fast bullet someplace down range. When you are running the hyper vel near 4000 fps, like @ButterBean , then it is so flat to 500 plus yards that you can shoot that far without having to think about drops.
I agree 100% BC is BC, if I was shooting past the 600 yard line I would most definitely step up in weight, the Hammers aren't magic and need to be used correctl and accordingly, I still run the 178 ELDX in my 308 for 1000 yard work, I personally limit myself to 600 yards unless conditions are ideal to me so the 124 HH in 30 cal and the 90 AH in 25 cal fit me perfectly
