Anybody used both of these bullets? I have a good load for each. The 195's are at 3040fps and the 177's are at 3119 fps. Both pretty much have about the same drop at 700 but the berger has 2141ft lbs of energy and the hammers are at 1758. Just reading on the hammers people seem to be happy with them on game. Any thoughts on these two bullets versus each other would be great. Thanks.
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Hammer 177 vs Berger 195
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lancetkenyon
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I have loads for both in my 28 Nosler.
195 with a moderate load at 3084fps
177 HH with a hot load at 3226fps
I have not shot the 177 on elk personally. But some buddies have, and they killed them dead.
The 195s are just ridiculous on game.
195 with a moderate load at 3084fps
177 HH with a hot load at 3226fps
I have not shot the 177 on elk personally. But some buddies have, and they killed them dead.
The 195s are just ridiculous on game.
lance ridiculous as they knock the stuffings out of them?
Varmint Hunter
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Something sounds amiss here.
Lance is referring to the total loss of fecal particles that are vaporized as it were hit by the V5 photon laser blaster with extreme organic tissue damaged or vaporized.
What seems to be a miss?
That's about right I would guess. What's amiss?
Varmint Hunter
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My mistake - I thought it indicated 214ft/lbs for the Berger. At some point you get a bit cross-eyed looking at this screen.
codyadams
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Both will kill great. Maximum intended range would be my deciding factor. If your not likely to shoot over 600ish yards, the hammers will do great. If you would feel comfortable taking a shot well over 600 out to 1000 or maybe more, use the Berger. Your Hammer load will still likely work at those ranges, look at impact velocity and keep it above 1800 fps, and essentially disregard energy with the way that hammers work, however they will rapidly start falling behind in ballistic performance. Less room for error on your wind call.
^^^^^^ what Cody said.
lancetkenyon
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Yes. As in they "Stone" game. As in Stone Cold Dead.
I'm huge copper fan for hunting now. I haven't used the hammers on game but friends had great results. I've used the Pva copper hunting bullets with amazing success and wouldn't go back. I hate bullet failures and I feel more comfortable with the copper but that's personal opinion
7.62 Gunner
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I had a picture of a recovered 195 that was bent at the tip and never expanded.
I won't use them anymore, granted I didn't clean out the tip, but impact velocity was 2800 fps
I won't use them anymore, granted I didn't clean out the tip, but impact velocity was 2800 fps
bigngreen
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I've shot a good number of elk with both bullets, I carried both, zeroed for the 177 HH and then dialed for the 195 Berger. Probably one of the best combinations possible from a 28 Nosler. You can make a mess with a 195, it's aggressive inside 800 and IMO really starts coming into perfection out beyond 1000, took elk with them well beyond that down to 1600 fps from a start of 3120 which is pushing it, I don't think there is a one bullet solution for the 28.
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