Thanks for that. for every disbeliever though there are a handful of supporters. The one I was considering is made in Japan so maybe bears scrutiny as japanese glass seems to be better than many though. As I'm nearly 80 the differences between the best and the midrange is probably not as great as my eyes compared with 40 odd years ago. I have a Zeiss on one of my rifles and that is a pleasure to use, especially in the late afternoon but it's a 1.5x6 mag so not really longer range though ideal for deer hunting.