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<blockquote data-quote="bigedp51" data-source="post: 1158326" data-attributes="member: 28965"><p>I'm not posting this to bust your chops <strong>4xforfun</strong> "BUT" your first post here tells the OP to throw his die away and get a bushing die and use it without the expander.</p><p></p><p>The problem with your statement is you must turn the case necks to a uniform thickness and if you do not you are just pushing any neck defects to the inside of the case neck. And this is "WHY" bushing dies come with a expander for the people who do "NOT" neck turn.</p><p></p><p>Below is a average Remington .223 case with .004 neck thickness variation, and some of these cases had as much as .008 variation in neck thickness.</p><p></p><p><img src="http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2136_zps079ece9b.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p><img src="http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2137_zps66bcfc13.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>So "WHY" would anyone want to seat a bullet in a neck that is egg shaped?</p><p>Why would anyone use a bushing die with a standard SAAMI chamber when if you reduce the neck diameter .005 or more in a single sizing you will induce neck runout with a bushing die. And this is why it is recommended to size the the neck in two steps when reducing .005 or more.</p><p></p><p>So anytime you remove the expander from "ANY" die you must turn the necks to make sure the inside of the necks are uniform and not egg shaped.</p><p></p><p>And the Forster full length benchrest die holds the neck firmly in place as the expander passes through the case neck and does "NOT" pull the necks off center.</p><p></p><p>So again your postings need to be clear so anyone reading them is not confused and misguided. Bushing dies are designed for tight neck chambers where the neck is only reduced a few thousandth. A bushing floats in the die and can move from side to side and even tilt. And if you don't believe this then use your bushing die on a case like above and see how far out the necks are after sizing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And again they do not use the expander because they turn the necks to a uniform neck thickness. And the expander in a bushing die is for the reloaders who do "NOT" turn their necks.</p><p></p><p>Please read the link below, and notice the custom Forster dies whith the honed necks are using the expander.</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 10px">FL Bushing Dies vs. Honed FL Dies</span></strong></p><p><u><u><u><u><u><u><a href="http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/" target="_blank">http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/</a></u></u></u></u></u></u></p><p><u><u><u><u><u></u></u></u></u></u></p><p><u><u><u><u><u>Below from the link above. </u></u></u></u></u></p><p><u><u><u><u><u></u></u> </u></u></u></p><p><u><u><u></u></u></u><strong>Alternative to Bushings — Honed Full-Length dies</strong></p><p><strong>Conventional, non-bushing full-length sizing dies can create ultra-accurate ammo with very low run-out.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigedp51, post: 1158326, member: 28965"] I'm not posting this to bust your chops [B]4xforfun[/B] "BUT" your first post here tells the OP to throw his die away and get a bushing die and use it without the expander. The problem with your statement is you must turn the case necks to a uniform thickness and if you do not you are just pushing any neck defects to the inside of the case neck. And this is "WHY" bushing dies come with a expander for the people who do "NOT" neck turn. Below is a average Remington .223 case with .004 neck thickness variation, and some of these cases had as much as .008 variation in neck thickness. [IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2136_zps079ece9b.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2137_zps66bcfc13.jpg[/IMG] So "WHY" would anyone want to seat a bullet in a neck that is egg shaped? Why would anyone use a bushing die with a standard SAAMI chamber when if you reduce the neck diameter .005 or more in a single sizing you will induce neck runout with a bushing die. And this is why it is recommended to size the the neck in two steps when reducing .005 or more. So anytime you remove the expander from "ANY" die you must turn the necks to make sure the inside of the necks are uniform and not egg shaped. And the Forster full length benchrest die holds the neck firmly in place as the expander passes through the case neck and does "NOT" pull the necks off center. So again your postings need to be clear so anyone reading them is not confused and misguided. Bushing dies are designed for tight neck chambers where the neck is only reduced a few thousandth. A bushing floats in the die and can move from side to side and even tilt. And if you don't believe this then use your bushing die on a case like above and see how far out the necks are after sizing. And again they do not use the expander because they turn the necks to a uniform neck thickness. And the expander in a bushing die is for the reloaders who do "NOT" turn their necks. Please read the link below, and notice the custom Forster dies whith the honed necks are using the expander. [B][SIZE=2]FL Bushing Dies vs. Honed FL Dies[/SIZE][/B] [U][U][U][U][U][U][URL]http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/[/URL][/U] Below from the link above. [/U][/U] [/U][/U][/U][B]Alternative to Bushings — Honed Full-Length dies[/B] [B]Conventional, non-bushing full-length sizing dies can create ultra-accurate ammo with very low run-out.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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