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<blockquote data-quote="bigedp51" data-source="post: 1158212" data-attributes="member: 28965"><p>Below on the left is a .223 RCBS expander and spindle assembly raised to its maximum height. On the right is the Forster spindle at the correct height to enter the case neck while the neck of the die is holding the neck of the case. </p><p></p><p>The vast majority of my dies are older RCBS dies from the 1970s and 1980s and you can not raise the expander enough to duplicate the Forster design. </p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2141_zps77852ff6.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p>On a whim last year I decided to buy a Forster full length 30-06 die and was extremely impressed with the low neck runout readings right out of the die. With the existing RCBS expander assemblies I experimented raising the expanders and using rubber o-rings and did not get the low runout figures I did with the Forster expanders.</p><p></p><p>Therefore I do not share your results and wonder what type/make dies you are using that duplicate the Forster design.</p><p></p><p>Also I just bought a new Forster full length .223 die and plan to have the neck honed. And if you look at the Forster dies in the link below they "ALL" have the expander installed. And when you just barely feel the expander being pulled through the neck you are not over working the brass. (and even bushing dies have expanders)</p><p></p><p>Read below</p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 10px">FL Bushing Dies vs. Honed FL Dies</span></strong></p><p></p><p> <u><u><u><u><u><a href="http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/" target="_blank">http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/</a></u></u></u></u></u></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigedp51, post: 1158212, member: 28965"] Below on the left is a .223 RCBS expander and spindle assembly raised to its maximum height. On the right is the Forster spindle at the correct height to enter the case neck while the neck of the die is holding the neck of the case. The vast majority of my dies are older RCBS dies from the 1970s and 1980s and you can not raise the expander enough to duplicate the Forster design. [IMG]http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMG_2141_zps77852ff6.jpg[/IMG] On a whim last year I decided to buy a Forster full length 30-06 die and was extremely impressed with the low neck runout readings right out of the die. With the existing RCBS expander assemblies I experimented raising the expanders and using rubber o-rings and did not get the low runout figures I did with the Forster expanders. Therefore I do not share your results and wonder what type/make dies you are using that duplicate the Forster design. Also I just bought a new Forster full length .223 die and plan to have the neck honed. And if you look at the Forster dies in the link below they "ALL" have the expander installed. And when you just barely feel the expander being pulled through the neck you are not over working the brass. (and even bushing dies have expanders) Read below [B][SIZE=2]FL Bushing Dies vs. Honed FL Dies[/SIZE][/B] [U][U][U][U][U][URL]http://www.accurateshooter.com/technical-articles/reloading/fl-bushing-dies-vs-honed-fl-dies/[/URL][/U][/U][/U][/U][/U] [/QUOTE]
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