Fliers

[rockytop65]

Ok guys I know there's been discussions on fliers before. My question is developing a load an you get 2 basically touch an the third is 3/4 or so off on a 3 shot group. Sometimes maybe 1st 2nd or 3rd would be off. What's causing this. I've had this happen on multiple calibers. Can y'all tell me what's the deal

 

[solobigdog]

where are you at in your load development ?

 

[rockytop65]

where are you at in your load development ?

Powder charge

 

[solobigdog]

shot over a chrono ? are you in a node ? all the same brand of brass ? weighed brass ? could be everything from gun handling to not enough neck clearance if you have a custom neck rifle

 

[Rick Richard]

Powder and or powder charge if not a inconsistent shooting technique. Need a lot more information other than throwing a flier

 

[rockytop65]

shot over a chrono ? are you in a node ? all the same brand of brass ? weighed brass ? could be everything from gun handling to not enough neck clearance if you have a custom neck rifle

Chrono running on last was es 27. Nosler brass. Current gun is a 300 wm Christianson arms. I've run into the same thing with 6.5creed 7mag 243

 

[Rick Richard]

Chrono running on last was es 27. Nosler brass. Current gun is a 300 wm Christianson arms. I've run into the same thing with 6.5creed 7mag 243

Give us your load data please?

 

[solobigdog]

i would work on brass prep to try to get that es down

 

[LaHunter]

3 round groups are not enough during load development for evaluating groups.
5 rounds minimum. The flier may not be a flier and just part of the group.

 

[nealm66]

So many things can cause it. What are you using to chrono? If v3, try taking it off and work up 3 shot groups and look for groups. Then chrono.

 

[QuietTexan]

The two touching/ one not is because you aren't seeing the full population of likely results since you're only seeing three data points. If you continually shoot groups and overlay them, you'll see the actual size of the group emerge, and the "flyer" won't be an outlier once there are enough data points. In a way it's applying the concept of ES to group size, the group size can't be smaller than the largest spread.

A true flyer is a shot that you call as being off before you see where it is on the target. They're based on the last sight picture you have before the shot goes not being on target. You must call it before you see the result; if you wait to see the target before calling it you're excluding an otherwise valid data point from the set and basically lying to yourself about the size of the group.

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[rockytop65]

Powder and or powder charge if not a inconsistent shooting technique. Need a lot more information other than throwing a flier

Some pictures of past shots. Don't have any of the current

 

[Rick Richard]

Some pictures of past shots. Don't have any of the current

Again, what is your load recipe? A wild guess looking at the targets would be wrong powder for that bullet creating ES charges on the high er side .

 

[cjl2010]

Are you capable of 3 in one hole?