Stole this off a southern ca hunting site. Guy shot a buck at 300 yds with Barnes bullet out if his 308. The deer dropped right there, so I guess it did it’s job? It can happen to any bullet. Personally I’ve never had a Berger hunting VLD fail me on a deer (20+ deer). I know their limits and usually step up to a “tougher” bullet when hunting something with thicker skin like a hog. View attachment 222636
I only use Barnes bullets in calibers that drive them really fast. The performance in those is typically spectacular. I won’t shoot them if impact velocity is below 2400-2500fps because of the reason in the picture.Stole this off a southern ca hunting site. Guy shot a buck at 300 yds with Barnes bullet out if his 308. The deer dropped right there, so I guess it did it’s job? It can happen to any bullet. Personally I’ve never had a Berger hunting VLD fail me on a deer (20+ deer). I know their limits and usually step up to a “tougher” bullet when hunting something with thicker skin like a hog. View attachment 222636
Exactly the process I follow. Never had a problem with the 215. Maybe not the most high tech but it works. Bullets with plugged hollow point get used to check zero and shoot steel. I mark the bullet with a black sharpie so I know which ones to use for practice.Before I bought pindrill bits I used a paperclip to ensure the point is clear. Never had a single issue with any berger, hunting, hybrid or tactical. Just make sure it’s clear and they tip over.
This would be going at max 2000-2200 FPS and it blew up on on a thin skinned pronghorn? Plus it was hit behind the shoulder? I’m not saying you’re wrong but this is hard for me to believe
You're using a pair of pliers when you need a saw. The longest range you list for several years of hunting was less than 500 yards. I wouldn't be using a Berger or any other long range bullet if most of my shots were less then 500 yards. You need to be shooting a hunting bullet that will reliably expand. The target bullets you are using are not built to expand. The bad results you're getting are likely because the bullets are pencilling through. A bullet need to mushroom concentrically, expend dynamic energy to the vitals, and travel in a straight line through the vitals. A bonded bullet or a mono will likely serve you better. The Nosler 210 ABLR, Barnes 180 TTSX, Barnes 200 TSX, Swift 180 Scirocco would all give you better results and likely give you decent mid range performance if needed. If you have the right barrel twist some of the high end monos might work for you. A partition or a Swift A Frame would work great but will run out of gas faster.I might as well be bringing up politics, but here it goes. I've been shooting the 215 Bergers out of my 300 win since 2017. Developed a great load shooting sub half minute at 2705 fps.
- Wife shot a cow at 260 yards. Didn't look for a blood trail because we could see the animal laying 40 yards away. Bullet worked. Wonderful.
- I shot at a cow. 300ish yards, poor rest, rushed/hectic shot. My wife, brother and I looked for about 1.5 hours. Couldn't find a drop of blood. No hair. Nothing. Three people looking all over for that long, we swore I missed. My other brother had a tag and ran off after the herd after my shot. He came back and asked if we found blood. No, we said. I guess I missed. He said alright. Let's head back to the truck. He started walking and we all followed closely behind. After a couple hundred yards he stepped to the side to reveal my dead elk laying there. He followed that elks tracks the whole way back to where we stood looking for blood and said that he didn't see a single drop. Granted this one is my fault; I hit it in the guts. I would still hope to see some sign of a hit.
- The next day my wife shot at a cow at 460 yards. She practices at this range all the time and I know she can make the shot. She doesn't shoot if she's not comfortable and confident. No sign at all of a hit. The four of us looked for half the day and couldn't find anything. She definitely could have missed, but after the previous day's display I would not be surprised at all if she hit it.
- Couple of weeks later I shot a cow at 260 yards. Ended up breaking the front shoulder and it only went 10 yards.
- I shot a bull at 40 yards. It ran maybe 70 yards with blood spewing everywhere and died. Happy
- My wife shot a bull at 260 yards and dropped it in it's tracks. Happy.
The first shot was at about 100 yards. None of the shots, except one head shot, had exit wounds. I found one copper jacket laying against the far side ribcage. The autopsy revealed that the internal organs were essentially fully intact. I saw no signs of the one "boiler room" shot. The other one, I saw a hole the size of my pointer finger through the lungs. I could barely stick my finger through the hole. The bullet didn't exit the far side of the animal, but penciled through the lungs - I would have expected to find a pencil exit.
- This spring I shot a beautiful big color phased bear. 260 yards, prone, solid as a rock - I could hit a baseball with the gun at that range. The bear was over a hill and disappeared after the shot. It looked like I hit it in the scope. Walked up to it swearing I would find a beautiful dead bear. Nothing. No hair. No blood. Nothing. Looked all over. Nothing. Two weeks later I found a pretty monstrous (in my book) black bear skull in the same area. My bear? I'll never know for certain. Sickening.
- Monday I shot a bull. Thought it was dead. Walked up to it and it stood up. I shot it at ~30 yards broadside right in the boiler room. It flinched and kept standing. I shot it again, right in the boiler room. It took a couple steps and fell. I gave it 30 seconds and it was still pretty with it, so I shot it in the head. Still moving. Shot it in the head again and it finally faded slowly.
I guess I'm starting to see why "not suitable for hunting" is stamped onto the box.
Unless somebody can show me what I'm doing wrong here, I'm pretty sure I'm done with the 215 hybrid. I might try the 205 Elite Hunters out. I'm also open to other suggestions.
I second this. Use a welding tip cleaner. Looks like a hand held drill bit. Just make sure the tips are open. Sometimes they are not and that will cause more of a penciling.The only thing I suggest is make sure the tips are open.
I've had nothing but great success with Bergers on alot of animals.