Can't seem to get the copper out.

Discussion in 'Rifles, Bullets, Barrels & Ballistics' started by RockyMtnMT, Jan 16, 2009.

  1. RockyMtnMT

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    Hey guys,

    I have a friend's rifle that I am doing some load development for. It is a 6.5-06, and has an 'older' Lilja barrel on it. I do not know the history of this barrel.

    When I 1st got the rifle home, I cleaned it thoroughly, but could not seem to get the faint trace of copper to quit showing up on the patches. I am using Tetra cleaner w/ a nylon brush. I thought that perhaps I was getting a trace of purple on the patches from the brass that the nylon brush is make w/. I do not get this w/ my rifles, so I think that it is in the barrel.

    Each time that I have shot the rifle and re-cleaned, it shows a fair amount of copper that drops down to a trace as I clean. No matter how long I clean, it will not quit tracing.

    This rifle is throwing fliers like I have not experienced before. I am not sure if it is the fouled barrel or that my load development is just not good. I hate to keep chasing after a load if it is the barrel.

    I need help guys. Thanks Steve
     
  2. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Steve, I had a badly fouled M77 barrel that I treated with Wipeout. It took about 8 long applications to get all the copper out, but it did work. I was haveing accuracy issues with this gun and took it to a smith to get bore scoped. The bore was pitted and the throat toasted, but all copper and powder fouling were gone. It was bright and shiney. Wipeout works.
     
  3. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Just been going through this my self. I have spent lots of $$ trying different things. Slip 2000 for the powder and BoreTech Elimintor for the copper. Best stuff I have found. I keep trying new things but end up going back to them.

    And yes, The stubborn ones take a long time. I wet it , brush, wait 5 min, wet brush again then wet patch it out. If it shows blue after setting 4 or 5 min. I start the process again.

    Jeff
     
  4. Boss Hoss

    Boss Hoss Well-Known Member

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    Do a search on this---this question gets asked at least twice a week!
     
  5. Tyler Kemp

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    Montana Xtreme!
     
  6. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    Wanna buy a bottle, only used once..:D Cheap!! Heck next time I come that way I will give it to you. Just don't try the BoreTech till you are out of MT Extreme. LMAO

    Jeff
     
  7. Tyler Kemp

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    Shoot I'll take that deal! Works amazing for me, and if you got a real tough guy (aka Grandpa) have em take a whiff of this stuff, then when they wake up they will take your word for things. Just make sure they aren't holding the bottle when they go down. ;)
     
  8. Broz

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    Yes I have burnt my nose smelling it, which brings up another good point. Boretech has no amnonia so go ahead and let it soak it won't pit your barrel.

    Next time you get done cleaning your barrel with MT 50bmg, dry it and run 2 fully wetted patches of BoreTech through it, wait 5 min and run another wet with BoreTech. I bet you see more copper. Just did this on Daniels new rifle last week after the smith recommended we use 50 bmg.

    Not trying to argue, just passing along real world experience.

    Jeff
     
  9. Tyler Kemp

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    To be honest I haven't cleaned my gun in almost 300 rounds...last weekend I shot 5 shots at the small gong you hung up from a couple hundred yards behind the shooting benches and all hit, and 4 were in about a 5 inch group. If it does that at 1050 yards, I'm afraid to clean it!
     
  10. 33806whelen

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    JB Bore paste works for me.
     
  11. KQguy

    KQguy Well-Known Member

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    What about Butch's bore scrub?Anyone here ever try it?I have some,I just havn't had a chance to use it yet.
     
  12. Broz

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    Bought a bottle two weeks ago when I was on this mission to find the ultimate cleaner. Seems I already had it, BoreTech Eliminator.

    Jeff
     
  13. coyotelatrans

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    I have great luck with Bore tech eliminaor, but if you have alot of fouling run 4-6 patches on Montana copper cream and wait 2 minutes between patches and the back to the bore tech and a stiff nylon brush, I have yet to find a gun that don't come clean of copper with that double dose! Carbon is different the best I have found is JB compound and 3-5 patches of this and I get agressive with it the first 1/3rd of the barrel if it has had over 20 rounds down it.
     
  14. joshua

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    hey wy don't you all us sweets 7.62 for copper i take a pistol cleaning rod with a brush on it with some patches on and stick it in the chamber then ill put 10 to 15 drops in the tip of the muzzle i let it soak for 5 minutes then turn it muzzle down and let it soak another 5 minutes then whip it out with a patch with some other solvent. most of the time i only have to do that twice and all the coppers gone