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<blockquote data-quote="Teri Anne" data-source="post: 2348031" data-attributes="member: 118816"><p>As I stated previously recoil, while being an individual thing is also affected by a persons size as well as the type of firearm and the caliber/gauge of the ammunition. I do not have a 54 in chest and do not weigh 250 pounds but have been shooting for some 62 years hunting, military as well as competition. I can comment on my experiences with some of the types of rifles/shotguns mentioned above. First of all let's talk about the Remington 870, undoubtedly the most popular pump shotgun in the world. I have owned several in various gauges and experienced their recoil, which is similar to that of doubles, over under's and bolt action shotguns where there is nothing to mitigate the recoil I find the 3 inch 20 gauge is pleasant to shoot as in the 2 3/4 inch 12 gauge. When one moves up to the 3 inch Mag 870 things get a bit dicey but still manageable a 3 1/2 inch 870 is pretty much out of this world in recoil and makes my shoulder hurt after one shot...and I have a well seasoned and hard shoulder. Now take that 3 1/2 mag and put it in a Remington 11/87 semi auto with a limbsaver recoil pad and while it still packs a wallop it isn't much worse than a 30-06. If one must shoot a 3 1/2 inch mag, do it the smart way with a firearm that minimized the recoil. The Benelli Super Black Eagle is another one that tames the 3 1/2 inch mag quite well. Moving on, rifles are somewhat similar in that their recoil varies dependent upon weight, stock configuration and action type but one has to add bullet weight into the equation. Using a </p><p>30-06 as an example. A 9 pound rifle shooting a 150 grain bullet is quite manageable. Move up to a 180 grain bullet and it packs a pretty good wallop, go up to 200 and we are in sore shoulder territory and I won't even talk about a 220 grain bullet. Newtons law, equal and opposite reactions will prevail. Moving into Magnum territory, I have a student what wanted to learn how to shoot long range, something near and dear to the readers of this blog. Before he contracted me based upon what his research was he decided that he wanted a 308 and proceeded to buy a .308 hunting rifle from a well known hunting rifle manufacturer. Is it a rifle I would have recommended...nope. Will it perform...with a lot of playing around with ammo to try to get the groups down to 1 MOA the combination he chose will do 1 MOA out to 600 yards, but it's hard to keep it in the X ring of the target (6 inches) I recently, well these days not so recently bought another 300 Win Mag. Not my first venture into Magnumdom. Many years ago with the aspiration to go Elk and Moose hunting I bought a 300 Win Mag of one of my favorite manufacturers, one I may add I have several of the same make and model but different calibers. That 300 WM was one of my dismal failures. Could not make it shoot at less than 3 moa no matter what I did, which was disappointing. Sent it down the road and didn't venture into magnum land until recently when my long range student with the .308 entered into the scene. Wanting to again shoot out to 1000 yards which was his ultimate goal I bought a Browning AB3 Hunter in 300 WM. Wood stock, 26 inch barrel beautiful piece of art. Before the first shot was ever fired sent it off for a custom muzzle brake installation. I shoot prone and the regular muzzle brakes that mostly come with rifles have 360 degree gas ports. If any of you have tried shooting in the prone position with these every shot brings dust, dirt and grass blowing up off the ground and into your face. The muzzle brake installed did not have any bottom ports thus no blowback into your face. The question was,, how effective was this muzzle brake in taming the recoil of the 300 WM? I teach shooting, both rifle and pistol. One of my current pistol students came out to class early and found me playing on the rifle range and after watching me shoot the 300 WM wanted to try it. I gave her one of the attach to bra strap recoil pads, told her it had a pretty heavy recoil, showed her the correct position for bench rest shooting and let her take a shot. After her first shot she looked back at me and said, "That wasn't so bad!!!!!!" She shot 3 shots using a rifle scope for the first time and shot a 4 inch group at 100 yards. The following week she came early again. This time I was playing with a Tikka T3x in .270. Of course she wanted to try it too. After her first shot she looked back at me and said, "Holy S*** this one kicks like a mule!" That comment proved what my thoughts were about the muzzle brake reduced the recoil down to less than that of a .270. Actually further shooting put the recoil of the 300 WM close to that of a 243. Recoil mitigation is real, and all it takes is a bit of using current technology and smarts to keep whatever rifle you choose from beating you to death or shoulder surgery. Recoil is real, so is your shoulder. Treat them both in the manner that will keep you healthy<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🙂" title="Slightly smiling face :slight_smile:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" data-shortname=":slight_smile:" />.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teri Anne, post: 2348031, member: 118816"] As I stated previously recoil, while being an individual thing is also affected by a persons size as well as the type of firearm and the caliber/gauge of the ammunition. I do not have a 54 in chest and do not weigh 250 pounds but have been shooting for some 62 years hunting, military as well as competition. I can comment on my experiences with some of the types of rifles/shotguns mentioned above. First of all let's talk about the Remington 870, undoubtedly the most popular pump shotgun in the world. I have owned several in various gauges and experienced their recoil, which is similar to that of doubles, over under's and bolt action shotguns where there is nothing to mitigate the recoil I find the 3 inch 20 gauge is pleasant to shoot as in the 2 3/4 inch 12 gauge. When one moves up to the 3 inch Mag 870 things get a bit dicey but still manageable a 3 1/2 inch 870 is pretty much out of this world in recoil and makes my shoulder hurt after one shot...and I have a well seasoned and hard shoulder. Now take that 3 1/2 mag and put it in a Remington 11/87 semi auto with a limbsaver recoil pad and while it still packs a wallop it isn't much worse than a 30-06. If one must shoot a 3 1/2 inch mag, do it the smart way with a firearm that minimized the recoil. The Benelli Super Black Eagle is another one that tames the 3 1/2 inch mag quite well. Moving on, rifles are somewhat similar in that their recoil varies dependent upon weight, stock configuration and action type but one has to add bullet weight into the equation. Using a 30-06 as an example. A 9 pound rifle shooting a 150 grain bullet is quite manageable. Move up to a 180 grain bullet and it packs a pretty good wallop, go up to 200 and we are in sore shoulder territory and I won't even talk about a 220 grain bullet. Newtons law, equal and opposite reactions will prevail. Moving into Magnum territory, I have a student what wanted to learn how to shoot long range, something near and dear to the readers of this blog. Before he contracted me based upon what his research was he decided that he wanted a 308 and proceeded to buy a .308 hunting rifle from a well known hunting rifle manufacturer. Is it a rifle I would have recommended...nope. Will it perform...with a lot of playing around with ammo to try to get the groups down to 1 MOA the combination he chose will do 1 MOA out to 600 yards, but it's hard to keep it in the X ring of the target (6 inches) I recently, well these days not so recently bought another 300 Win Mag. Not my first venture into Magnumdom. Many years ago with the aspiration to go Elk and Moose hunting I bought a 300 Win Mag of one of my favorite manufacturers, one I may add I have several of the same make and model but different calibers. That 300 WM was one of my dismal failures. Could not make it shoot at less than 3 moa no matter what I did, which was disappointing. Sent it down the road and didn't venture into magnum land until recently when my long range student with the .308 entered into the scene. Wanting to again shoot out to 1000 yards which was his ultimate goal I bought a Browning AB3 Hunter in 300 WM. Wood stock, 26 inch barrel beautiful piece of art. Before the first shot was ever fired sent it off for a custom muzzle brake installation. I shoot prone and the regular muzzle brakes that mostly come with rifles have 360 degree gas ports. If any of you have tried shooting in the prone position with these every shot brings dust, dirt and grass blowing up off the ground and into your face. The muzzle brake installed did not have any bottom ports thus no blowback into your face. The question was,, how effective was this muzzle brake in taming the recoil of the 300 WM? I teach shooting, both rifle and pistol. One of my current pistol students came out to class early and found me playing on the rifle range and after watching me shoot the 300 WM wanted to try it. I gave her one of the attach to bra strap recoil pads, told her it had a pretty heavy recoil, showed her the correct position for bench rest shooting and let her take a shot. After her first shot she looked back at me and said, "That wasn't so bad!!!!!!" She shot 3 shots using a rifle scope for the first time and shot a 4 inch group at 100 yards. The following week she came early again. This time I was playing with a Tikka T3x in .270. Of course she wanted to try it too. After her first shot she looked back at me and said, "Holy S*** this one kicks like a mule!" That comment proved what my thoughts were about the muzzle brake reduced the recoil down to less than that of a .270. Actually further shooting put the recoil of the 300 WM close to that of a 243. Recoil mitigation is real, and all it takes is a bit of using current technology and smarts to keep whatever rifle you choose from beating you to death or shoulder surgery. Recoil is real, so is your shoulder. Treat them both in the manner that will keep you healthy🙂. [/QUOTE]
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