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ShtrRdy
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I had that happen with a Armslist ad. I ended up contacting my local law enforcement. They passed along the information to the city on the receiving end. It turns out I was not alone. The guy is due in court in the next month or so. Who knows if I'll get any of my payment back.
FearNoWind
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There is very little that can be done to protect yourself after the fact. Once you send money, consider it gone. Even if the offender is prosecuted the likelihood of your recovering your losses are very low; VERY low.
Protect yourself using some verification method. If he seller won't meet you half way you don't need whatever he/she offers for sale.
PayPal offers some level of protection but that does not apply if you send your payment as a "gift". Read their conditions ....
You can rely on COD (offered by USPS, UPS, and others) to ensure that you get the package. It may not contain what you ordered but at least it's some amount of protection.
Caveat emptor .... there's a crook behind a lot of those forum posts.
All of my transactions here has been very good and have posted them in the feedback forum. I've always paid with USPS MO.
Having said that, I agree with FNW.
iowaelkbum
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My first, only, and last internet gun purchase was on gunbroker. To sum it up I involved the ATF in my area, his area, his sheriff, the Utah attorney generals office, and a lawyer. The ATF was the least helpful of the bunch, I asked them what do you guys do then?? "we mostly shuffle paperwork" was the reply!! The president of my bank got the money back, as it was paid for with a certified bank check. It was a learning experience to say the least.
My experiences on this forum have been very good. In terms of PayPal, many forums do not allow the "Gift" option for their classified sales. It is a very common scam since the PayPal protection is not covered if the "gift" option is used. I will only use PayPal with higher priced items unless I have an existing relationship with the party. If the seller states that the PayPal "Gift" option is required, I will offer the additional 3% on the asking price. If that is refused, a red flag goes up, and I drop the deal.
Have you had any contact at all with the seller? How long have you been dealing with this?
I totally agree that no matter how much money is involved, the seller needs to make things right.
I'm wondering if you posted your experience in the buyers/sellers feedback forum, would that change his tune? If we have a scam artist among us, it would seem like that would be the place to post it.
It may or may not get your situation resolved, but it might prevent someone else from being scammed by that individual.
Laelkhunter
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Do it as soon as possible to prevent someone else from getting burned. Also, the info you post might get a response from another forum member that could help you in locating the scumbag.
Just wondering, If you pay through Paypal with a credit card, can't you get the credit card company involved to get a refund? Or are you SOL because it was a gift?
Just offering some of the more obvious precautions.
1) never send money to a member with little history on this Forum.
2) if the seller has a substantial history of membership, research his Threads and Posts, to evaluate his/her legitimacy
You could still get burned, but the odds of being scammed can be diminished. You can also request a phone conversation to discuss the item, which can be helpful - but still no guarantees.
I won't so much as nibble on a seller without a year or longer activity, no matter how enticing the offer. In fact the best deals are the riskiest ones, in my opinion.
Without any built-in protections for recovery of your funds, a buyer is completely reliant on the integrity of the seller. If I have no feel for that Integrity based on a review of their prior posts on the Forum, then I conclude I have no basis for sending funds.
Because you're SOL should the seller fail to deliver, or delivers a ***.
I've not been burned on this Forum yet, following these basic principles. However I have passed on any number of classified sale Threads, where I judged the risk unacceptable.
Same principles apply to established gunsmiths - believe it or not. I think as hunters and shooters, we tend toward respecting the character of other hunters and shooters. Because we've by and large found other hunters and shooters to be good folk. However I had a lousy long drawn-out experience with an established gunsmith (not a gunsmith active on this Forum). You'ld think a gunsmith with 30 some years of prior practice should be trustworthy. All I can make of my experience is that sh_t can happen to any of us, unless the item is received in one hand at the same time money is handed over with the other hand.
Once you've taken reasonable efforts to ensure the legitimacy of seller/gunsmith and you still get burned, you'll never recklessly engage again. It's simply not worth the aggravation...
1) never send money to a member with little history on this Forum.
2) if the seller has a substantial history of membership, research his Threads and Posts, to evaluate his/her legitimacy
You could still get burned, but the odds of being scammed can be diminished. You can also request a phone conversation to discuss the item, which can be helpful - but still no guarantees.
I won't so much as nibble on a seller without a year or longer activity, no matter how enticing the offer. In fact the best deals are the riskiest ones, in my opinion.
Without any built-in protections for recovery of your funds, a buyer is completely reliant on the integrity of the seller. If I have no feel for that Integrity based on a review of their prior posts on the Forum, then I conclude I have no basis for sending funds.
Because you're SOL should the seller fail to deliver, or delivers a ***.
I've not been burned on this Forum yet, following these basic principles. However I have passed on any number of classified sale Threads, where I judged the risk unacceptable.
Same principles apply to established gunsmiths - believe it or not. I think as hunters and shooters, we tend toward respecting the character of other hunters and shooters. Because we've by and large found other hunters and shooters to be good folk. However I had a lousy long drawn-out experience with an established gunsmith (not a gunsmith active on this Forum). You'ld think a gunsmith with 30 some years of prior practice should be trustworthy. All I can make of my experience is that sh_t can happen to any of us, unless the item is received in one hand at the same time money is handed over with the other hand.
Once you've taken reasonable efforts to ensure the legitimacy of seller/gunsmith and you still get burned, you'll never recklessly engage again. It's simply not worth the aggravation...
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Yeah I guess I was just to trusting and as always if a deal seems a little to good to be true it is. Looking back on it I've kind of profiled the guy now. I post in the forum looking for something and 2 or 3 replied back in the post as to what they have for everybody to see then comes the PM from someone that hadn't replied.......no one would see his user name that way. Best deal of all and of course i bite. Lesson learned........from now on I'll be looking for that PM sent in the forum. Pretty slick.......that tells me he's used the setup before.
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My intention is not to kick a guy in the chops after the fact.
But soliciting with a Want To Buy post can draw in scammers like cockroach bait draws cockroaches. If you advertise your needs/desires, you'll need to be even more careful evaluating those offering to help out in your moment of need(s).
But soliciting with a Want To Buy post can draw in scammers like cockroach bait draws cockroaches. If you advertise your needs/desires, you'll need to be even more careful evaluating those offering to help out in your moment of need(s).
Dale, this is getting to be the common scam over on 6br. It shows up about once a month or so. It's getting easier to recognize and they get nailed. We need to look out for one another and report similar postings to the administrators. Sorry to hear about your loss, maybe, just maybe there will be some retribution.
Don Dunlap
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