These are fair chase animals. In utah they have CWMU's (like Colorado's ranching for wildlife). Ranchers join the program, they get longer hunting seasons and CWMU's give tags to the fish and game that go into Utah's draw for the public. This gives the public a chance to hunt some very good private land for just the price of the tag. Dave treats the public very well. This year the biggest buck so far is 195" and last year the biggest bull were both killed by the public hunters.
I have been hunting with David Redd for about 13 years, once in Utah and the rest in Colorado. He offers very good hunts in Colorado, Utah, Kansas and Texas.
The buck scored 176" b.c. Gross, will leave the velvet just as I killed him.
The elk scored 393 b.c. Gross, but they measured a mass measurement in the wrong place on the non typical side, this will deduct some but have not had a chance to re-score it yet.