Bubble level for rifle

[Brent]

Ric, or anyone with one of these,
If you butt a tape measure up against your scope base there, exactly how far does that level stick out from it?

 

[Guest]

Brent,
I have the same level on my 300 RUM and it sticks out about 1.156", about .216" less than the side focus knob on my NF NXS.
Wayne

 

[4mesh063]

Yes Brent, 1 minute on a clock face is 6 degrees, and yes, I think of that as a mile.

Yesterday, indicating a part with flats on it in an index head on the mill with the 3 jaw chuck at a crazy angle, I eyeballed the part (with no reference to anything square or plumb) and then put the "Starret exact angle finder" on it to find it off, "Minutes of angle".

Nope, I can't see the point, even if you double the error by saying plus or minus.

With no point of reference, in the last relay of the day, I shot a group 1.600 wide last year at 1000 yds. I guess ,I don't can't the gun much...

 

[jb1000br]

I think you may have converted me from my scopelevels---they get caught more hanging off the top of the scope than this will--Ric and Dave--stop spending my money!!!

JB

 

[Brent]

Thanks Wayne. I guess that big knob would protect it some.

In the way when you're carrying it at all? I thought the NXS knob would be, but it's not noticable.

Phil,
You "can't" get away with that forever!

Nice shooting!!

Seriously, they help out super well in the odd situations and are worth their weight in gold. Not necessary for the average hunter by a long shot, but no gimmick to us LRH's.

I noticed the bubble level "inside" my dad's Springfield Armory scope was not level with his turrets last time at the range... Tell me the effect from that mess!

 

[*WyoWhisper*]

Wayne is right on.. and the level only sticks out about 1/2" or less from the Badger nut that tightens the ring to the base!..

 

[Guest]

Brent,
I don't even notice it at all.
Speaking about turrets being level, I put a level on the top of my NF NXS turret and while the turret was level the reticle was not, I also wonder what that means at longrange.
Wayne

 

[4mesh063]

Wayne,

I have seen that in scopes before and in my experience, if the crosshairs are level, the movement will be very close to plumb regardless of how far off square the turrets are. But, you have to check it to be sure.

Again, if you look at a gauge and see how far off the turrets are from square, I bet you'll see that they are lots less than 6 degrees, yet to you from 2 miles away, it looks like they're on about a 45 or exactly one mile off square.

 

[Brent]

Wayne,
Hope you get that BUG cleaned up, that's got to be a royal bummer!!

Have you tryed a virus removel tool from Norton?

My Dad's scope was pretty bad, and there's no way to adjust it either. He's sending it back to get it fixed.

Leupold has a 2, or maybe 3 degree acceptable error in their QC.

Level by the turret if you're dialing, it'll "track" the turret axis.

Level by the reticle if you hold over, it's tracking on the vertical post.

If you do both, they better both be right.

Have you measured how far off yours is? I'd call Jeff and ask him what they let out the door, 1 degree, 2, 3?? I'd be interested in what he says about "acceptable limits" for a $1200 - 1500 scope. It should be perfect!

 

[Mountain Man]

i dont like the way it sticks out to the side and prefer the one that mounts to the scope tube. getting that level with the crosshairs is easy with a plumb, however, leveling the scope then to the gun is a little different, and i, like most, used a regular level and did the best i could. however, after looking at this one, i happened to think i could mount this to the gun to level the gun, and while leveled, adjust the scope bubble to be level as well making sure all were aligned, then simply removing this bubble and using the one on the scope tube. because i'm only attaching it to level the gun with the scope, then taking it off, i'd only need one, and could level an unlimited number of guns this way.

does that make sense to anyone?

-brian

 

[Dave King]

Got'em

I checked one against my Rem 722 in 223, looking for agreement with my carpenter's level.

I then put that same one on my Rem 700 in 308 Win. I didn't realize I canted so badly until I leveled the rifle (both B-Square and carpenter's against the bare Badger base) and then needed to rotate (plumb the reticle first the level on the turret) the scope to match the rifle. It's done now and I'll need to rezero the 308 (an opportunity to shoot this weekend

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Thanks Ric, I really like this thing so far, another item I need to carry a spare of though. I bought two (2) and I'll order another two (2) next week.

BTW... any of you guys seen my Seekonk torque wrench??? I can't find that critter and was forced to order another from Browells and have it over-night shipped. I'm getting right forgetful lately! Had my alzheimer's meds, viagra and that torque wrench all stored in my Bug-Out-Bag (BOB) and I now can't find that BOB!.

 

[Guest]

Brent,
I haven't tried that one, didn't know about it. I have the regular Norton AntiVirus program that came with my computer.
Thanks for the idea about calling NF, I'm going to send in the scope anyways to get the adjustment fixed. I can only get 91 MOA not the advertised 100, will have them check that out also.
Wayne

 

[Brent]

I up graded both our computers with Norton Internet Security 2004, downloaded. Sure catches the viruses lately! I get one or two of that new one coming through daily, I forget the name of it. I do the update daily, so I figure I'm as safe as I can be. The pesky viruses are relentless!

I had the one last year that shut your computer down when you log onto the internet, forget the name of it too, but the virus removal tool got rid of it after I searched and found which one it was and followed the instructions. I had just let my virus definition subscription lapse, won't do that no friggin more!

Thanks for the pix Dave.

 

[4mesh063]

Ok Guys,

Now, it has been made clear in another post that figures lie and liars figure. This in reference to my liking statistics and mathematical proof of a particular items importance.

I am assured that people don't want to waste thier hard earned money. Yet, when I say this thing is useless, everyone chimes in to tell me that it's a necessity for long range shooting. No Phil, 6 degrees is a very slight error. No guys, 6 degrees is a mile!

I have included below, a drawing from AutoCAD showing 3 reticles. 1 shows a 6 deg cant to the right, the other shows it to the left. The Third, shows 15 equal parts of a 90 deg area in a circle so you can see that I have not exaggerated the other 2 which are REALLY 6 degrees. Now, Please go print this picture, then hang it on the wall. Get your 22LR with a low power scope that you can see this from inside your house and hold offhand, prone, benched, rested, whatever. Aim at the upper reticle and hold your gun that far off. Now, aim at the lower one and cant THAT far off the other way.

NOW! Please tell me how in Gods name you could possibly hold a gun THAT FAR OFF FROM LEVEL, SHOT TO SHOT! IF you hold that far DIFFERENT from shot 1 to shot 2 you will cause 4" of error at 500 yards as specified above and in the product info.

Now, if you cannot see that, you have no business shooting at game past arms reach, and probably should not be allowed to handle a firearm, much less own one.

Repeat after me. Can you say, MEANINGLESS!