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<blockquote data-quote="Buffalobob" data-source="post: 349225" data-attributes="member: 8"><p>With a thin jacketed bullet at high speed, I like to have a lot of sectional density. I would not even shoot a 7mm 168 Berger much less a 30 cal 168 at that range and speed and expect anything other than exactly what you got. Been down that road with with thin skinned low SD bullets on both an elk and a deer. Never recovered the elk but after about a mile did get my friend close enough that he killed the deer for me with a Speer.</p><p></p><p>Deer behaved much the same way you described yours. Hit my deer exactly where you say you hit yours. Deer went about 300 yards bedded down. We jumped it but no shot. Went about 300 yards and tried to bed again but we kept on the blood trail until we finally got a shot and killed it. Found a crater about 10 inches in diameter and half an inch deep on the scapula. Not one bullet fragment made it into the vitals.</p><p></p><p>I do not say for sure that it is what happened because I have seen just the opposite also. Bullet pencils through and penetrates as others describe and flies over the lungs but under the spine and nothing is actually damaged. Deer may have partially collapsed lungs until the hair and blood coagulate to seal off the chest cavity and the lungs reinflate and then he is good to go forever and ever. Good bye deer. But from the amounts of blood you found I believe the first scenario is correct. Answer to the problem is sectional density. It will give you the extra mass needed to continue to penetrate when the front part blows away. That is why I shoot the 6mm 115s from Berger or the 130gr 257 Wildcats with J4 jackets or the 200 gr Wildcat 7mm with a J4 jacket. The extra sectional density give me the penetration that I desire even at high speed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buffalobob, post: 349225, member: 8"] With a thin jacketed bullet at high speed, I like to have a lot of sectional density. I would not even shoot a 7mm 168 Berger much less a 30 cal 168 at that range and speed and expect anything other than exactly what you got. Been down that road with with thin skinned low SD bullets on both an elk and a deer. Never recovered the elk but after about a mile did get my friend close enough that he killed the deer for me with a Speer. Deer behaved much the same way you described yours. Hit my deer exactly where you say you hit yours. Deer went about 300 yards bedded down. We jumped it but no shot. Went about 300 yards and tried to bed again but we kept on the blood trail until we finally got a shot and killed it. Found a crater about 10 inches in diameter and half an inch deep on the scapula. Not one bullet fragment made it into the vitals. I do not say for sure that it is what happened because I have seen just the opposite also. Bullet pencils through and penetrates as others describe and flies over the lungs but under the spine and nothing is actually damaged. Deer may have partially collapsed lungs until the hair and blood coagulate to seal off the chest cavity and the lungs reinflate and then he is good to go forever and ever. Good bye deer. But from the amounts of blood you found I believe the first scenario is correct. Answer to the problem is sectional density. It will give you the extra mass needed to continue to penetrate when the front part blows away. That is why I shoot the 6mm 115s from Berger or the 130gr 257 Wildcats with J4 jackets or the 200 gr Wildcat 7mm with a J4 jacket. The extra sectional density give me the penetration that I desire even at high speed. [/QUOTE]
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